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Episode #145 – Apostolic Favoritism

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  • Melanie

    Yeah, some of those boys are my students…

  • LDSRevelations

    Mormons are right to question the White Horse Prophecy's validity. It's provenance is questionable at best. But Joseph Smith and a number of other early LDS leaders did teach the idea that the US Constitution would be in danger and be saved by the Mormons— independent of White Horse Prophecy. Instead Roberts drafted off this teaching that appears to have originated with Smith.

    The White Horse Prophecy and Joseph Smith's teachings about the Constitution being in danger and being save by the Church are actually different things. The former is likely an embellishment created after the Prophet's death, has questionable provenance and has, for the most part, been rejected as not authoritative by the Church. It is relatively clear however that Joseph Smith did teach that the US Constitution would be in danger and would be saved by the LDS people.

    The statement below is what is accepted by many as authentic and has been reiterated by a number of modern Prophets:

    "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction."

    (Source: Joseph Smith Collection, LDS Church Historical Department. Joseph Smith on July 19, 1840.)

    Defenders make the mistake of claiming this idea has no Prophetic basis in Mormonism because they can dismiss the White Horse Prophecy. This is a mistake.

    More examples of other LDS leaders teaching this can be found here:

    Also I'd dispute your contention that the LDS Church does not have an apocalyptic world view— in that it has a 19th century 2nd great awakening origin and maintains a number of millennialist holdover doctrines and teachings. Granted it's less end of times than when I was growing up in the 70 ad 80s— but when push comes to shove LDS still talk about returning to Missouri, the second coming and the wickedness of the world. I think much of the gnashing of teeth over Romney's loss was fueled by this sort of view. Many LDS saw the 2012 election as a sign of the times.

    • TWiM

      you dispute a lot. What can we agree on? Love?

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