General Conference is an exciting weekend, and this past weekend was (thankfully?) a bit more back to basics and in line with a “typical” conference in that we weren’t bombarded with major announcements or organization shuffles (although one major policy announcement dropped before conference).

We also managed to hear about eight new temples and the renovation of Utah’s oldest temples.

So join TWiM founder, Geoff Openshaw, Kurt Francom of Leading Saints, and your beloved TWiM Sisters, Tiffany Hales and Arianne Smith, as they break down the sessions of General Conference and talk about their favorite speakers.

What were your favorite parts of General Conference? Favorite talks? Favorite musical numbers? What lessons did you learn? We love doing these shows every six months. They feel like a reset.

If you are yearning to see our beautiful faces, you can watch a video stream of this episode below.

Transcript

Geoff:
[0:38] We’re here oh my goodness I’m basking in the glow of going to a conference this is this weekend ones everyone would live streaming this now so if you are saying this on Facebook,
holler at us and let us know I should probably doing that myself so I can see the questions that my,
come our way I have openshaw as you all know and we are all very excited to talk about our feelings and insights into General, didn’t want to wait until Monday or Tuesday to get it to we thought we get it to you,
right now so joining me this week the wonderful twin sisters are also with this everybody say hi.

Sisters:
[1:13] We survived conference with small children and teenagers.

Geoff:
[1:22] I almost didn’t my wife reminded the same happened last conference went Buttoneer the very end and my kid going crazy,
I was just there was no spirit I have to re-watch entire thing so I’m hoping that all you can actually just help me learn what happened because I don’t have a clue.

Sisters:
[1:38] My last session is always a rest there’s either asleep or fighting or I’m bored I’m bored.
Arianne needs to post on Facebook in the Instagram site is really cool tri-fold that she made for her kids as a conference activity this time it is so beyond adorable where they can like,
put speakers in chairs and at the podium and topic it very cool that has the maroon chairs I upped my conference game it did not keep my children
from fighting but my four-year-old was highly entertaining for the first half of comfort.

Geoff:
[2:16] Okay but we’ll get all those Hot Tips as we talk I don’t want to delay and introducing a course of other playlist you know him you love him leading Saints very own Kurt whatever Ronald frankum what’s your name.

Kurt:
[2:30] It is Harold so if you call me K Harold Frank am I to really appreciate that it is too named after Harold Frank of my great-grandfather.

Geoff:
[2:35] Your name is not Harold that sounds he wasn’t real that’s not me.

Kurt:
[2:42] The reason I exist.

Geoff:
[2:46] Your middle name is like whether you’re something like.

Kurt:
[2:48] No no Harold it’s much stronger.

Geoff:
[2:51] K Harold Frank now we tease you a lot this weekend we thought you could call the podium man.

Kurt:
[2:56] Oh yeah I was I was sitting by my phone all all week but it never rang imagine that.

Geoff:
[3:04] You mean other people tweet for you and you weren’t even busy on the conference.

Kurt:
[3:09] I can’t do it all Jeff okay so you can I cannot.

Geoff:
[3:13] I can’t apparently cuz it was all at the sacrifice of like the happiness of my children and,
stability of my marriage was a great weekend overall I’m thrilled thrilled to be this week in the way of,
straight up news ever get into like we traditionally do we always do this on conference we just kept stuff we talked about it,
let us know your thoughts if you don’t be watching this otherwise our first sent us an email contact this week in Mormons. Com or directly to me that’s Jeff with a g g e o f at this weekend with., you can also contact,
you can even contact the sitters via me,
Lego things in the church if you have to contact them spit to me the man and then I will disseminate it,
I will delegate to the Lay’s you can’t go to them directly. Kind of autonomy.

Sisters:
[4:01] We don’t but we do have an Instagram account have an Instagram account a very small Instagram account that we don’t post on very often but maybe we will.

Geoff:
[4:13] That’s true cuz I got a notification about what every 7 weeks that set twin sisters posted for the first time in a while,
ladies you got it at the brand you can’t just let it sit there.

Sisters:
[4:23] I know well that’s why I told her yeah and she’s got take a picture of her conference game board and post it on Instagram.

Geoff:
[4:32] Fair enough. So how is he doing now was conference just three or general feelings right now in the Kabbalah.

Kurt:
[4:40] It’s nice just to have a conference that is like most conferences you just listen to some great talks and not to be blindsided by the newest policy or a structure change you know so I loved it.

Geoff:
[4:54] There’s no Weird Al me to conferences of doing that now everyone expects that to be the norm feel disappointment on Twitter like guys what are you going to tell me I can drink coffee I heard this was happening.

Sisters:
[5:03] That’s all quiet there was not much better but I just wanted to be known in our last podcast I think we said or at least I remember saying I don’t think we’re going to have any big announcements this time,
and we didn’t you did say that so so yeah I’ll none of the rumors happened that guy.

Geoff:
[5:23] Not a single one.

Sisters:
[5:24] Maybe the missionary one,
about the length of missions if any of them were going to happen I was thinking that one.

Geoff:
[5:34] That’s a more plausible for sure I remember one day I when they lowered ages what’s it called years ago now,
Elder Holland if it was a missionary committee at the time and said he was singing with brass and someone asked him why not do two years for the girls now he said we’re taking one mirror. Of time we think dropping its in the team is the first step and then who knows what’ll.

Sisters:
[5:54] See where it goes from there.

Geoff:
[6:00] Yeah literally none of the rumors took place we publish whole article about rumors we were through saying we’re not saying this happening we’re just rounding up we’ve heard and like nothing not a one,
I would like to go to the whole thing I want but not as not a single.

Sisters:
[6:17] Well and certainly no one could have predicted what happened on Thursday all right.

Geoff:
[6:24] And that was when we did not predict so up for those who are not aware Tiffany why don’t you take us there Panthers.

Sisters:
[6:29] Well many of you recall back in 2015 the church published a little change and handbook number one and it got leaked out and then the church had to deal with the pr Fallout from that and that policy was that children of parents who are gay and lesbian
could not be baptized real quick. Be blessed unless they were
18 years old or there had to be a special appeal to the first presidency and that’s caused a lot of
rights and strife within the church when that policy came out and effectively on Thursday they basically
I did away with the policy they said children that a gay and lesbian parents can be blessed they can be baptized they have you know of course I understand the covenants that they’re making like any other child.

[7:23] But one of the larger issues was in that 215 policy they stated that married individuals who were gay and lesbian if they were in a same-sex relationship and married would be considered apostates and that was also removed they still clarified it is still a sin
but it’s not considered apostasy and so
Thursday morning I got into my office and I hopped on Facebook and at first I didn’t believe it when I saw it I was kind of shocked with a pretty quick,
reversal after three and a half years I feel like nobody saw that nobody saw that coming there’s a lot of relief.

Geoff:
[8:02] It’s a it’s fascinating of course I recognize this cuz in the wake of President eyring talk and priesthood lasso it was pretty sad right Kurt spoke about supporting leaders and you know I’m not trying to.

Kurt:
[8:13] Sustaining and yeah.

Geoff:
[8:14] Assistant I’m not trying not trying to look into the Mortal foibles of them and then some things like that I do think helps to look through that lens sometime just to remind ourselves we’re dealing with,
humans and that’s a good thing I think that informs my understanding of Revelation and the spear rather than treating the 15 like there,
completely infallible in a touching moment I’ll do anything wrong and they’re not human beings are a butt,
what did you say to me most anecdotal evidence of tents that the real actors who might have pushed her what we did in 15 more likely then we’ll print Oaks of the,
president of the 12 sorry president Nelson and then Elder of the time because present president Monson was pretty much not involved at that point,
that’s most of suggested so I find even more interesting that 3/2 years later,
driven by the man who is no leader of the church the same thing one way which is not that’s why I think I’m interesting parts of it to me new leadership 10 minutes of like those guys were way off.

Kurt:
[9:18] Yes encouraging right.

Geoff:
[9:19] Yeah what you think about that car what is that does that you anything what does that tell you.

Kurt:
[9:22] So as I’m listening over to read different articles in her different discussions around this topic like everybody goes back to like will what is this mean exactly as far as Revelations concerned his present Nelson you know I think of you I U Hawaii henna in a
an address mentioned you don’t underscore the fact that this was Revelation that 2015 policy originally came out and now people are saying so it wasn’t Revelation or did God change his mind whatever but I just really,
feel like there is there just not a full understanding about how Revelation truly works and maybe,
I just for my experience no being being a keyholder and serving is a bishop like it just doesn’t,
I mean it’s just abs and flows in and I really don’t think.

[10:10] You know that rarely does does a scroll fall from Heaven with certain Revelation written on it that we’re supposed to follow and and we say well so it wasn’t God’s will well that doesn’t matter because this is like,
to me the way I see Revelation is it’s a two-way street regulation comes from heaven but also Revelation goes up to heaven
and that’s the beauty of priesthood Keys is the keys give individuals the power to direct it doesn’t give him the power to know every
opinion and will of God when he gives an opinion to direct and God influences those who direct the church and we learn more about that in doctor comes 128,
first nine where
it talks about if individuals who hold the keys and have the authority to do so with the best intentions and paraphrasing obviously that that what what those things that they say will be seen as Revelation and the will of God and
so the fact that they reverse this to me is just that she is revelation that’s just how it works in God’s going to,
and by and say you know what these are the individuals I have set apart and called to direct the church and their opinions are in this and their perspectives are in this that’s why you could say
so much Credence to Council in the church you know that that is how the messiness of Revelation how it works so it’s cool to see it happened it I’m glad it’s sort of you see on some things that get reverse because that’s how it happened in my experience on a smaller scale with you no running Awards.

Sisters:
[11:34] Will and I think one of the speakers in conference said that Revelation is more of a process than a destination and that
it’s something that is kind of ongoing and not just okay this is a revelation and this is what we do when there’s no more said and done on it I think that’s really true whether you’re talking to church or whether you’re talking in your own personal revelation,
you know I think many of us have had the experience where you know you’ve received
what you believe to be an answer to prayer and it is an answer to prayer and then you go and begin to act on that and something changes and you’re moved in a different direction and you think we’ll why was I told to go that direction
but there’s always learning and growth from that and sometimes you never know why I never know what years later you look back and,
well I don’t know why I started down that road if I was ended up on this so I don’t know it’s,
hard to say but the good news is there’s just a lot of people really acted happy about this and.

Geoff:
[12:33] I think it’s it’s fun to talk about like how sometimes you receive,
inspiration Revelation to act in a certain way and that doesn’t take us where we go or we think we want to go to Sara Lee but it might be taking this somewhere that we wouldn’t otherwise get to without taking that step,
and I thought I think it was Elder Hales actually spoke about that during a costume I think was a Saturday morning session with the third speaker,
we kind of mentioned that the prayers aren’t answered that we want the Lord prepares blessings can’t you know expect a person even though he’s in his life so,
it’s a good reminder B I do is stunt I was on a personal note,
out of service and made peace with Ann Arbor 2015 division curtain I’ve talked about it at length we even did a podcast not back then sound like that about that one,
I always kind of one of those things that kind of tucked away and said I don’t get this I’m never going to comfortable with this but okay I’m just going to let sit there,
and keep living my life and be a disciple and fit and hoping they know God and everyone knows better than I do.

[13:42] It was pretty cool to see and it seems so ostensibly minor I mean talking about it what is a small subset of the population even less all of Latter-day Saints,
gay parents who want their kids to get because it’s not a big,
who is the subset within our church but it still matters because every group matters we talked about caring about the one of course they all matter,
so it’s great I’m glad to see that this is happening I think there are many people,
you are still upset about it people who want the church to apologize more firmly and say this is a strip say we bought this one or maybe I expect to happen,
but overall it’s no it’s right even if it’s basically with me as to what was mostly the status quo four years ago it’s,
Dawsonville woman that I think is interesting about it you know that you talked about the revision of the definition of apostasy.

[14:33] And they did say that where do I read Harry said so okay same-sex marriage is still a serious transgression according to Elder Oaks,
but it’s not to be treated apostasy when it comes to church discipline he did he sets Ted the immoral conduct and heterosexual or homosexual relationships will treated the same way,
I’m very curious about what exactly that means because the amoral combat heterosexual relationships,
sexual violation more or less bright broadly speaking and Silvestri,
we sexuality of homosexuality i e is this a tacit looking the other way when it comes to dating or kissing and holding hands when your day is that kind of a thing that,
no one’s really asked questions about I’m very curious they didn’t outline it and I think it’s a big for a while I don’t know if this a solidify.

Kurt:
[15:26] And did they even outline as far as you know if two if a same-sex couple is it legally married you know will that be approached differently so there are there are some some.

Geoff:
[15:38] And then that’s pretty thing cuz like if you are legally married and you say well you’re obeying the law of the land or no different on paper than the heterosexual couple except it’s I don’t know how that’s going to shake out.

Sisters:
[15:50] Yeah well and I bet a lot will be as it always has been depend on your local leaders and,
what they choose to look at and not look at I mean we probably all know plenty of people that have been in a heterosexual relationship that,
I may be living together but their new members of the church and they’re not you know excommunicated or really disciplined it all we’re just happy to have them there to come into our congregations and,
but there may be other leaders you know in other states that it really would do something about that so it’s going to be interesting interesting,
to say that.

Geoff:
[16:31] So that was a phone that was this was a filling for drop before conference it’s not something I would expect to talk about in conference itself when did the initial policy came out and actually only come out at believe it kind of got leaked out if I’m.

Sisters:
[16:45] It it did it got leaked out somebody had seen the handbook and then leaked it and then the church had to address it and what I think is was one of the biggest plunders of a PR disaster they have had in a long time.

Kurt:
[17:02] I learned a lot of lessons from maybe that the execution of that whether it was their fault or not maybe some additional.

Sisters:
[17:09] Rogue employee.

Kurt:
[17:10] You know security measures to make sure.

Geoff:
[17:13] Sure there’s always going to be somebody really can Bookworm of those up to go out Kurt is always someone.

Kurt:
[17:20] But I’m not no just like I just really appreciate it these these Friday releases I know this recent one I think was on a Thursday but,
I know I would almost speculate that that this was a strategic adjustment to instead of building up so much that the rumor mill
up going up to conference I just let these things go throughout and then handle them you know gives information just like the youth advancement news I mean that seems like the type of thing you would hear in conference but
they they released it in on a Friday in a press release you know it’s a lie I think that’ll be the motive operations going for tonight
appreciate that.

Sisters:
[18:01] I like it too it saves conference for you know the real meat and plus it’s kind of fun to wake up on a Friday morning ago what’s going to happen today it is the same thing as.

Geoff:
[18:13] But then that’s the same thing as conference so be in conference one rather going to blow your mind.

Kurt:
[18:18] Then it’s not distracting to that brought the the more meaningful.

Sisters:
[18:20] Yeah the message.

Geoff:
[18:23] But then it messes up my work day,
it’s Friday I know everyone Coast on Friday but you know I still got things to do and then this stuff comes up,
it’ll probably be that when it comes to a lot of those comments rumors that went around,
there’s a note of those there’s some of those like Word of Wisdom operations yet that would be awesome, but I don’t think that would really suck. But some stuff to others but not least whatever rumors,
that would have just come via the Friday info drop it if I need Cousin It most of the world journalism and media Friday is where you
some things that you want to get buried
why this happens all the time happened in politics all the time do they release all this random stuff out to you and hoping nobody’s going to pick it up at weekend but I imagine because our church and our focal point Sunday Friday is a great day to it so we get all leading into the weekend.

Kurt:
[19:17] And then they usually read the the letter in Sacrament in right.

Geoff:
[19:22] Hello from letters. LDS. LCR whatever out right now. Church of Jesus Christ. Org.

Kurt:
[19:28] And there’s no you can’t bury anything in this church.

Geoff:
[19:35] Speaking of some dangerous though I’m going to jump all the way to the end of conference right now and talk about some of the new temples were announced.

Kurt:
[19:43] Reverently Def.

Geoff:
[19:44] Do my and that’s what I want to talk about.

Sisters:
[19:46] Yeah that was the one surprise huh.

Geoff:
[19:52] That was awesome that was so good I loved it everyone’s expecting the temple announced with especially at work conference that was buy one of their measures subdued impaired what we’ve been used to this for the past year
and of course I remember president Nelson Mix 6 months ago or maybe a year ago heated at the Pioneer temples,
needing some extensive love you kind of talk a little while ago so now he’s he’s formalizing in a bit more that’s a Hot Topic I’m,
bye-bye to a media take away gut Logan and fix whatever the heck they did to it in the 1970s if you have,
raise your hand Linda Logan anyone following on Facebook,
it went on Facebook then I went there once and I was at BYU I drove up there on a whim to go check on your temple and I was like are you hope I like it.

Sisters:
[20:39] I can’t say that.

Geoff:
[20:42] Almost as burlap.

Sisters:
[20:43] I’ve only been for a ceiling I don’t remember much.

Geoff:
[20:46] Okay so Logan is on the outside Pioneer ask right you know it’s a beautiful building inside the back in the late seventies they had to totally gut all original stuff and rebuilt it and they built,
to the time and so on this side you’re basically burlap walls shy of it being not far off from the meat house and there’s a couple chandeliers here and there.

Sisters:
[21:07] Oh yeah.

Geoff:
[21:10] As far as I remember there are no real nose inside and cuz if you actually look outside of the building windows this Arch windows are actually hated black throughout so there’s a that’s a shell around what is a gif,
shut up sad little devil on the inside not the knock anybody but it,
in some love more than the other ones I would think so I’m,
Manti if ever been to Manti everybody I’m definitely praying they do nothing man time just leave me a stag leave Manti alone everyone just start.

Sisters:
[21:47] I never been to Manti never been to Manti.

Kurt:
[21:52] It’s worth a road trip.

Geoff:
[21:56] It really worth the road trip as it’s the only other Temple live sessions just like salt.

Sisters:
[22:01] Okay I knew they do live is the inside just really cool or what.

Geoff:
[22:05] The inside is like I think it’s been updated at some point but it’s old Pioneer stereo even put in a soft fold down chair you send the wooden.

Sisters:
[22:13] Oh

Geoff:
[22:15] When it was built,
I like the progression style of it a bit more Salt Lake you go to the first two were in to go upstairs and do the rest but in low in Manti you slowly go up you know 10 TAPS in between every single room so you’re kind of slowly winding your way to the top,
and just am yours are crazy the world room they call it Google that’s it Google Manti Temple World room mural at things bought her there’s the Crusades all kind of stuff on it.

Sisters:
[22:40] Maybe we’ll have to take a world a road trip.

Geoff:
[22:45] Should you should I sincerely hope all do is try to just update some of the mechanical stuff and maybe some funking that otherwise I think everyone’s afraid they will be live session that one admit even Salt Lake in this process and I think that,
W tragic loss.

Kurt:
[23:02] There is a Facebook comment here from Robert he says it was interesting to read the perspective from the Twitter feed as sisters in Zion she she’s disappointed with the instruction to remain quiet during the temple announcement she loved,
did the Saints vocally rejoiced what what do you what’s your take on this part of our culture.

Geoff:
[23:21] I guess I buried lede the that’s what I was going to get into I love the president Nelson,
straight up settle coming on on some temples Beltran it in this time because I think it has gotten a bit out of hand he’s an LDS temples in the,
it’s gotten worse it was fun until last April and then last time and people cheering in the aisles and,
and the funny thing about those I’ve been monitoring this since the session ended if you remember watches at the same time president Nelson seemed pretty amused by the whole thing.

Sisters:
[23:54] Yeah that’s why I was surprised cuz he seemed to enjoy it so much I was kind of surprised yet he wasn’t going to enjoy it this time I mean he enjoyed it still.

Geoff:
[24:02] He said he seemed to Revel in a bit.

Kurt:
[24:04] That was a that was a polite dad smile of we’re going to talk about this later.

Sisters:
[24:09] We misinterpreted that little smile he had.

Geoff:
[24:13] Is there. I think it was something a little bit different think genuinely is a straight-up just me making stuff up a butt,
I think that he genuinely did kind of get a kick out of the experience and the car the bottom of it I mean you know how it was last time around when he really want for the anti-climatic
Washington County Utah for his clothes,
everybody I have to wonder if she pondered it more even after the fact thinking about his own leadership and I don’t know and I communed with the Lord and Pepsi would,
she might have also been chastises on saying that.

Sisters:
[24:48] Oh that’s an interesting thought.

Geoff:
[24:51] I don’t got before off how many times I’ve been a leader in the church and there been since I’ve done things and walked away and said maybe this isn’t the way it should be done I should Ponder a bit.

Kurt:
[25:02] I think
this is something they’re seeing it not only in general conference cuz my sister-in-law was at my in-laws house watching conference with them and they in my sister-in-law just moved back from Peru and she said that President Nelson went down there for a Regional Conference and she was down there and he there’s this moment where he mentioned it he’ll now speak in a
in Spanish and and everybody like there was like a everybody there was an uproar of cheers and Applause when he said that and started speaking in Spanish.

Geoff:
[25:31] This is the church in Latin America.

Kurt:
[25:34] I know but I think I think they’re seeing this where it’s like well maybe this is a good opportunity to draw a line as far as
you know what we expected in reverence in the context of temples are in general.

Geoff:
[25:45] But in general I appreciate it I mean there was so much emphasis on temples this time around and I like it when we kind of brought it all home and said these are sacred things happy about it but let’s not,
get all crazy so real quick just to recap what ones are going to be built than ones that we’re all curious about after the pain your temples so,
you got Pago Pago American Samoa which we did predict,
Believe it or temper directions thank you Joe Okinawa City Japan nope didn’t predict it longer thought about predicting a to Valley Utah.

Kurt:
[26:17] Just missed West Valley Jeff just missed it.

Geoff:
[26:20] Just missed it I heard a lot about 2:11 we decide to go with Hebrew or West Valley or funsies but to all I got it Moses Lake Washington is the one that’s really prize me,
you’re not done enough research on membership Moses Lake isn’t it’s in like sachdev the middle of Washington state but it’s not a huge area just in general it’s not.

Sisters:
[26:37] No there’s not much around it.

Geoff:
[26:39] Yeah and the Tri-Cities are only four miles away maybe it is from there there’s a template in,
Overland Columbia Gorge so that one didn’t treat me quite a bit I’ve got to look into some of the metrics there for the membership for what’s going on they’re good for that
congratulate Secreto en Honduras in San Pedro Sula which is also one of the other capitals of the world so that I send it to get a temple there I was about to make a clip joke about dead people Temple dope not to go that route
and and I forgot the chili awesome and I forgot his way of Northern Chile and the desert,
hyper your history because it was once part of Bolivia until Chile stole it from Bolivia in the war of the Pacific and 18th and lastly the one week off work for a little while Budapest Hungary which is awesome so moist personal more temples in Brook,
thoughts examples.

Sisters:
[27:32] Okay well one thing I want to say on the Pioneer Temple cuz at the very end he said that they’re going to do I believe I’m in 19th of April which is another Friday that they are going to release their plans for not only how they’re going to reduce the Salt Lake Temple but they said how they’re going to redo Temple Square
and the plaza and I thought I was blown away by that.

Kurt:
[27:56] So a Elder snow was the visiting Authority at my brother my brother’s Day present West Valley and he was the visiting Authority there a couple weeks ago and he mentioned that to my brother that every every building is going to be torn down except obviously the Tabernacle to Temple
and the.

Geoff:
[28:14] So even the visitors the visitors to.

Kurt:
[28:18] All the visitor center coming down.

Sisters:
[28:19] Wow.

Kurt:
[28:20] Complete revamp.

Geoff:
[28:21] When you say Temple does that include the annex or.

Kurt:
[28:25] The annex the annex is coming down.

Sisters:
[28:27] Wow.

Geoff:
[28:29] Middle actually let people get married and walk out of the temple doors instead of goofy little.

Kurt:
[28:34] Some random pop up.

Geoff:
[28:36] Little soft tinted pop-up thing that they do.

Sisters:
[28:38] Yeah.

Geoff:
[28:39] Here I am coming.

Sisters:
[28:41] And they said they were going to rededicate them so does that means they all get an open house right.

Geoff:
[28:46] Presumably they didn’t say that but I would guess so.

Sisters:
[28:49] Having fun.

Kurt:
[28:50] I know be huge that’ll be huge especially for Salt Lake I mean I remember in the in my art history class in college at UVU they said that the Salt Lake Temple is the most studied,
religious building in the United States I don’t know if that’s packed but that’s what they said so you can imagine the attention it would bring if they actually opened it up to the public.

Geoff:
[29:11] I’m just going to shout out here to Tim Corey who’s following us right now on Facebook you said make your bed the bed isn’t made because the laundry is being done as a guest room in the basement that no one sleeps on.

Kurt:
[29:20] Geoff I want you know I’m I’m having a tax not.

Geoff:
[29:25] The reason this is torn asunder not as beautiful as Kurtz little steel when he has goofy things behind us because we’re renovating something go anyway.

Kurt:
[29:32] I’m in my grandma’s bedroom right now so.

Geoff:
[29:36] So anyways I’m stoked about them.

Sisters:
[29:38] One more thing that I kind of wondered on the Salt Lake Temple when they do the rededication of the Salt Lake Temple if they’ll do it like Nauvoo where they open it up to the entire church membership to participate in.

Geoff:
[29:49] I’m relieved that some pretty strong on.

Sisters:
[29:51] Omnitel.

Geoff:
[29:54] So good times are buddy good for Budapest anymore of those in Europe,
there’s no Temple between Germany and Ukraine so good on them excited to see that.

Sisters:
[30:05] And so sorry for Arkansas oh yeah.

Geoff:
[30:07] I think is it time for those who have followed our Temple pictures is it time to formally ra time to Rogers or Bentonville Arkansas prediction I just let it die cuz I don’t know if it’s over in a country.

Sisters:
[30:21] I think it will someday I’d Hold On Keepin On.

Geoff:
[30:24] By that logic I can keep predicting something for 50 years and then it finally happened.

Sisters:
[30:29] Well maybe you should just let it go and then it will happen and then you can say I predicted this for years.

Geoff:
[30:34] That’s what I’m guessing some of the letter.

Kurt:
[30:38] Just like the just like the mission calls without dates or locations if we if we say that enough maybe it’ll actually happen and we can’t we will never get to a place where we can all agree that it’s just a hoax that’s never going to happen.

Geoff:
[30:51] Kurt you researching Point without one though,
I mean how does that one happen because people produce vac similes I guess but of called that stays very think is there a whole cottage industry of people using fake mission calls to perpetuate this.

Kurt:
[31:06] I have no idea but it’s whenever you hear these announcements it’s always like the sister of a Brother’s cousin you know it’s like.

Sisters:
[31:14] And has anybody ever seen the paperwork I’ve heard it and I’ve heard people say this is real because this is my cousin’s in law but I’ve never actually seen the physical paper.

Kurt:
[31:26] It’s a hoax it’s not it’s not.

Geoff:
[31:28] Kurt you know people on the inside can you just get a phone.

Kurt:
[31:30] I do not know people on this side however however.

Geoff:
[31:32] I don’t know people on the side I used to be in cake Kelly she can either talking to me.

Kurt:
[31:37] There’s an individual in the I know when the police department and I was talking to him after the last conference about the the 2-hour church and obviously he was working a lot with it at the plans there and he said you know I heard a lot of people mentioned that there were these,
what do you call a test group sir these what’s the word,
like there’s these words that were testing out testing the 2-hour any psych and he’s like that was news to me we didn’t have any like people testing to 2-hour Church.

Sisters:
[32:08] Really cuz I totally heard that one but I know be too I heard they did it in South America.

Geoff:
[32:14] The Hope program.

Sisters:
[32:15] Doing it like an in Pleasant Grove when are your friends said her brother somebody in Pleasant Grove.

Kurt:
[32:21] It’s always a brother or sister or like.

Sisters:
[32:23] An in-law an in-law.

Geoff:
[32:28] OU people who live in the Zion Braille.

Kurt:
[32:30] It’s right join us Jeff actually we’re both myself and the twin sisters were all in and Idaho right now.

Geoff:
[32:37] But are you in Western Idaho like they are.

Kurt:
[32:39] Yeah I meant the other more chosen part of Idaho right.

Sisters:
[32:42] Really.

Kurt:
[32:44] I’m in Blackfoot right,
that’s where I met my wife is wrong.

Sisters:
[32:49] We will send our condolences that’s that’s not.

Kurt:
[32:53] I’m getting out of Dodge here at.

Sisters:
[32:55] That’s more like Utah.

Geoff:
[32:57] Cardino is Blackfoot going to fall to the Pocatello Temple District when it’s done I would it would I just broke ground on that,
we’ve been we’ve had a lot of stuff nearly 40 minutes into our show and so,
Prince highlights people there’s that we don’t have to go through a talk we should try to do that but unnecessary but I do want to know talk about the highlights in the big takeaways and.

Kurt:
[33:21] Yeah, take at least by session.

Geoff:
[33:23] You can buy session so let’s visit the Saturday morning session which we had I’ll give a lineup is so sweet like a brat
all right Elder Ulisses Soares of the 12 Becky Craven of the young ones General presidency of the seventy who has one of the best stories to being called of any 70 door,
He’s A & W Christopher Waddell of the presiding bishop and Henry B eyring of the Earth,
I only do about Elder Hales because what happened was last year after the conference and called you 70 do generalist or 70s,
a month later issued a Presley since it called Brook P Hales to the edge em37t basically we were supposed to fill one more and forgot to do it that’s essentially what they said and so they,
they said you are sick.

Kurt:
[34:14] And he was in the room and you like hey you over there.

Geoff:
[34:17] His secretary for the first presidency and he still is even as a Sunday so I swear it’s like like yeah he’s still doing that took so anyway.

Sisters:
[34:25] Well I really like to talk about his talk was great his his was one of my favorite from the Saturday morning session cuz he talked a lot about I’m righteous desires and I really liked the stories that he told it is talk we talked about his son with the missionary and
the purchase if a coat the coat was too small and he and he had a companion who needed it,
and then he was talking about the sister who was blind who,
you don’t never always had a positive attitude about it and I just really liked what he said about sometimes our righteous desires are granted in this life and sometimes they’re not,
yeah he had good stories.

Geoff:
[35:07] You’re very good stories sometimes have to wait and be patient,
I really love the stuff A W Christopher Waddell of the presiding bishopric. Pretty interesting when you forgot his brother,
was that his brother’s not had a really been involved with her chin out for a long time it was diagnosed a page with the pancreatic cancer which is one of the most,
Aveda love cancer so with which you can be diagnosed and so about 5 hours to turn out before he passed away he was able to ordain,
brother to the office Elder about 50 years that we became a priest and then that’s a,
that’s a crazy story in and of itself Ella Thomas highlights the importance of ministering to the one of going out of your way to the right thing for the right people at the right time we have to invite people to change the other,
can I do it on their own people down sometimes you know they don’t let nothing to say leave me alone I’m going to say I’m on the Do Not Call list.

Sisters:
[36:11] I’ll take that under advisement.

Geoff:
[36:14] Sorry sorry everyone.

Sisters:
[36:16] But one of the things that are said that I’m waiting for the Cutie meme to pop up on Pinterest any minute now it’s his three words of believe love do oh yeah.

Geoff:
[36:32] Where is Five Points I was wrestling with children at the time when he got in Five Points I wrote down that they were five points.

Kurt:
[36:39] So it was dry clothes dry clothes to God fill your heart with love for others strive to walk the path of discipleship share what is in your heart,
and trust the Lord to work his Miracle so this is the first I felt like a few missionary themed,
talks her or gathering of Israel that that sort of thing and
it would be interesting to hear those that are listening on Facebook live what sort of things popped out you can put them in the comments we want to make we want to recognize our studio audience,
it’s not.

Geoff:
[37:17] No one cares no one cares.

Kurt:
[37:17] Virtual Studio that’s how you do this Jeff I thought you do Facebook live so k.

Geoff:
[37:23] Is that what you do I don’t usually let people see me I have a I have a face radio is this.

Sisters:
[37:28] One thing.

Geoff:
[37:29] Yeah I missed please continue.

Sisters:
[37:34] Just stop going on Oak Door one other thing I like this he pointed out
when he was talking about being missionary that we should find normal and natural ways to do it and I like that you pointed that out because I think sometimes we can get real awkward,
so I appreciate it they real awkward real fast so I appreciate if you find a normal and a natural way to bring it up and,
Let It Be.

Kurt:
[38:01] What I think we weave turn missionary work like
we we think it’s like walking across the street and knocking on our door at the door of our neighbor with a book of Mormon in hand and then awkwardly like
trying to convince them to take it when in reality it’s like no you walk over and you talked to him at their mailbox and they’re getting there just about life right and build that relationship until they bring it up or there’s an opportunity right.

Geoff:
[38:23] Yeah that’s why I was looking silver turn out so we had their two I’ve seen the same thing like I realized years ago,
that when people you go to work in such and people carrier weekend wasn’t a prettiest only recap Saturday,
Stockton what I did on Saturday cuz it mine but that’s the weekend Sunday is that other day for we let a saint swear we go to church in. Because I like The Weeknd,
so I started trying to eat not in your not in the face just to drop in some to teach six-year-old so I don’t listen not going to no not giving someone a big lecture out the,
block but I just try to mention at Mort’s people are weird about that if you know it’s a part of someone’s life whoop to do it doesn’t matter how,
have a Latter Day Saint or not you population is I think that helps quite a bit of Swords us off our approach to missionary work and we still have to invite people and be bold at times but,
like her what I am just going to build a relationship with somebody and just be honest about who you are and what you’re doing it’s sometimes it’s so hard to do that it seems so obvious to be that way.

[39:29] Also it is Twitter poll bring this talk just to find out not a huge sample or anyting but said it when this done come up if you’re meeting people if you’re building new relationships talking about faith their role in do we still use the term Mormon,
to refer to yourself,
just got a time and convince versus something longer like I am a Latter-Day Saints a member of the restored gospel a full 62% of respondents said they still called insults Mormon in situations that that’s,
I don’t know if that’s just interesting or that is damning people not quite sure.

Kurt:
[40:03] Call Mount Jeff I want names.

Geoff:
[40:06] Name names,
I thought it was interesting I still kind of same or me too cuz I feel like when I say that will get a quicker idea what that means and in a good way I think but I don’t.

Kurt:
[40:22] I just say you know like Mitt Romney that seems to work.

Geoff:
[40:28] It works for me.

Kurt:
[40:29] I actually did not work from it Jeff I don’t know.

Geoff:
[40:33] Is a senator from Utah and he’s filling the very large was of Orrin Hatch there but we have political on his program so,
about that the other one I mentioned nobody’s mentioned it yet Becky Craven then women I’ve seen them I’ve seen polarizing respond polarized this one,
are your thoughts on this without me saying anything about it on her.

Sisters:
[40:59] I don’t remember that one much I think I was dealing with children remember it it wasn’t my favorite.

Geoff:
[41:07] Okay so Tony has issues why in a pit of polite and respectful.

Sisters:
[41:18] And probably this is just the lawyer in me I’m going to I’m going to give that disclaimer
first but you know she she seem to be very black and white in her approach as you know are we careful or casual and rash does rationalizing council you know where my rationalizing and I rationalized every day at my job it’s part of who I am,
I don’t know I just.

Geoff:
[41:44] Figure ways to lie to make me.

Sisters:
[41:46] I I’m more of a great person with a black and white person then she was very black and white so I probably need to ponder her talk a little bit more.

Geoff:
[41:57] But you will not ponderize anymore because brother Durant is out of Sunday school presidency.

Sisters:
[42:01] No I will not ponderize I will simply Ponder.

Geoff:
[42:05] I did like she’s mentioned you know don’t we’re not perfect we can be worthy and that’s it,
Asado relationship that I think is good for us to remember we get so hung up
I need the IU stories of members of the church being depressed with like the high standard supposed to live and how awesome
isn’t how it how difficult can be we should remember that the work-in-progress the importance to be worthy be worthy of the temple be words of the Lord’s blessings that does,
a person be worth.

Kurt:
[42:33] I just wish we could get rid of the worthy word altogether in our lexicon that I just I get what they’re saying and I think I understand but it’s hard to get away from the I’m not perfect and when you say I’m not worthy like,
I think it’s just too close to synonymous but to me it’s like whenever I would say want to say the word worthy I always default to spiritually prepared and I feel like that’s a little bit more of a,
turn that I can Embrace that’s not just cuz we’re all worthy like of God’s love like we’re all worthy of so much regardless of our behaviors right so it’s it’ll probably never go away but that’s just.

Geoff:
[43:15] In in your nice though I mean they have move some things away like she obviously who I’m kind of a big a bender on those to remove a shorter more succinct terms describe ourselves and aspects,
museums longer-form things cuz I wouldn’t say worthy I think there’s some printed cuz if you want to preach my gospel now they updated it last fall
or a little earlier than that the last fall but no longer call investigators investigators are called people who are be taught and you know call was active that and we’re now they’re all covered turning members,
where in the hell up using longer terms anyways so do you say it was what was the three anchor.

Kurt:
[43:52] A spiritually prepared.

Geoff:
[43:53] Spiritually prepared beautiful.

Sisters:
[43:56] I do like that I like that alot John keep keep saying it’ll catch on.

Geoff:
[44:03] I’m moving along Sunday afternoon session,
we had M Russell Ballard Matthias held Neil L Andersen Takashi wada David P Homer and Jeffrey R Holland quick pull of everyone listening and talking right now who gave the best talk that session.

Sisters:
[44:21] Call Erin Holland.

Geoff:
[44:32] You are not spiritually prepared what is wrong.

Kurt:
[44:35] Shamy Jeff I can take it but no it was it was great I mean I mean Elder Holland could talk about anything and just as Cadence and the way it is what.

Geoff:
[44:48] He’s so good at lovingly chastising us.

Sisters:
[44:51] If I fell.

Geoff:
[44:53] Absolutely possible.

Sisters:
[44:54] I totally felt after listening to his talk that had anybody else said those things I would have been like oh yeah yeah be more reverence take the sacrament seriously yes yes we hear it all the time
but him saying it very much is it just the way he speaks it just gets to me and if it 11 way very much I thought,
yes this is something I need to be better at this is something I could work on,
this is something my family could work on and it’s important and coming from him I took it very differently than I feel like I would have taken it from anybody else.

Geoff:
[45:32] How to cook I know you’re thinking of.

Sisters:
[45:33] Plus I think Elder Holland had the best tie of the whole entire session.

Geoff:
[45:41] I am dry tracker guy but I don’t remember what he had.

Sisters:
[45:44] Oh he had on this lovely navy and gold striped tie and the gold was like a like a like a really shiny gold and they were wide Stripes he looks sharp.

Geoff:
[45:56] Sounds like straight something out of War when he was president of BYU sounds a little 78 action there.

Sisters:
[46:03] Yeah it was it was it was a very Potter it was a very bold Choice compared to some of the other times I saw.

Geoff:
[46:10] He’s a bold fellow I’m going to get it I got to go back and read it and watch it again you know I love the reminders it just it’s funny cuz you talked about bishoprics who have taken the time to set an example of reverent that was great for me to hear because,
what happened to the r word that are pushing for Tuesday up there doing it but I’ve been in other words before wear,
open beforehand the bishop is using a walking around like greeting people saying hi and a rubber or not no crazy we’ll have to see each other slap back in Conway,
and I was thinking we visited old were that did that and I was like I’m sad I missed kind of the more friendliness like the Bishops walking around getting to know people so it was interesting to me that Overhaulin took the time to submit might be better if you’re on the stand 10 minutes till,
and setting the example of a reference because we’ve all forgotten how sick the sacrament is and like are we taking it seriously enough,
I was pretty solid and I felt smacked around at all I’m just trying to get my kid one of my children will not eat the red it’s an ongoing a,
it’s the dumbest thing in the world he won’t eat.

Kurt:
[47:15] He won’t eat it my kid wants five.

Geoff:
[47:17] The other kid will lead the other to delete all the bread we come in but my older son,
finally real to me the other week it’s because he doesn’t he doesn’t usually like bread with West on it so I’m going to see if I can find a crustless piece and check in next week everyone and I’ll let you know.

Sisters:
[47:32] Those are a hot hot commodity I feel.

Geoff:
[47:34] Your weighted bated breath.

Sisters:
[47:36] Yeah my kids search for those crustless ones they’re hot commodity.

Geoff:
[47:40] I was just such a reminder it’s so easy to treat the sacrament like it’s to this thing we do have to go to your lessons and stuff like that.

Sisters:
[47:51] Well and I wrote down something he said that I really liked he said be mindful of other broken hearts and contrite spirit surround you,
I really liked that,
cuz sometimes we get so caught up in Austin what’s going on with us that you know we failed to realize there are other members of the congregation there who who may be struggling and coming to Sacramento partaking is a big deal for them.

Geoff:
[48:17] Another one who did rate M Russell Ballard I thought Elder Ballard this time around for me can be a little hit-and-miss whatever Ballard decides to cover,
this weekend I think it was used saw you give I mean he already tell about simplification he literally wrote the book on how to run meetings if your behavior of read that but,
friendship my next day that will be I love the remind one that I forget this that state is miserable a good time and he want to kind of like,
and he also of course kind of quelled any rumors that the testimony affect the fast and testimony meeting we going away.
cuz he said that instead like make your testing was worthwhile so we could assume we’re still going to keep doing that but I dug.
Kurt you’ve been quiet and thoughts here observing.

Kurt:
[49:22] Now this was trying to make the other Elder Anderson’s talk was.

Geoff:
[49:31] Dieter the family proclamation All In.

Kurt:
[49:33] That’s right she had a mention there and it was,
I know I mean I always try and give give respect to those individuals who touch on a really difficult subjects that would be which could would be very easy just to not talk about you know and there’s maybe some people that were upset about,
the way he said things but you know I appreciate him trying so.

Geoff:
[49:56] I think you to find out about something sort of the same way you did one thing I thought about was going to talk about the family proclamation a bit but we really references to the document of the living Christ you don’t hear much about that exist,
that’s another thing we have is not canonized just like the family proclamation but in looking at Twitter,
there were some it’s just misting feedback that sort of act with Kurt said of just saying what is the living Christ a controversial or is difficult for people digest at the document talks about our living Christ versus the family proclamation which might need a little more time,
Apostolic point-of-view to address and read her in that people understand which was Good Counsel.

Kurt:
[50:42] I just so you know Jeff Al has just joined the Facebook life if you want to say anything to are you two still talking I’m.

Geoff:
[50:51] Alice Alice not too late if you want to set your rig right now buddy and just Jump Right In.

Kurt:
[50:56] Let’s do this out.

Geoff:
[50:57] Shocked everybody,
any other feedback for the Saturday afternoon session.

Kurt:
[51:05] Priesthood session was phenomenal I thought.

Geoff:
[51:11] Tell a lie take me.

Kurt:
[51:13] Well I just appreciated the especially the Band of Brothers story for Elder cook the
did the 70 elders that was like just so inspiring to hear how I mean what a great example of what
healthy corn looks like and what a healthy corn produces and to see it happening that you contact context and you know in Africa and see
many of those young men serve missions I was just like that’s what I needed to hear that was that was a.

Geoff:
[51:40] This is right in your leadership wheelhouse wasn’t it.

Sisters:
[51:45] Can I say something about the priesthood session,
I didn’t go so obviously I didn’t hear all this talk but the first thing I asked my husband when he got home was did they challenge you guys to read the book of Mormon in 2 months and have a social media fast.

Geoff:
[52:02] No we do what we want go.

Sisters:
[52:03] I was a little disappointed I just I thought that you did at least give you guys a book of Mormon challenge yeah.

Kurt:
[52:12] And president Nelson was I thought he was getting there cuz he was mentioning in a sports and smartphones and did being distracted from family but they needed.

Geoff:
[52:21] I thought you was going to go all in and say here’s the deal you know socially is not that your issue your shoe is keeping your focus you at work so I thought him to say it like I want you to fast Sports and gaming more or less,
which was awesome but I wouldn’t have had to change much of anything and I would have liked it but I didn’t go there surprised.

Kurt:
[52:41] But I think it was a I don’t know I don’t make myself I don’t,
I mean obviously they could do whatever they want and that I’m not trying to critique this but I just don’t think giving challenges or like,
that type of approach is really healthy for our culture just because everybody’s like okay I’ve got to do these I got to check this box and,
and move on with it and so everybody does it but I feel like the way that President Nelson handled it was effective know he got his message across that you know you really need to consider these things and then left it up to everybody to get a walk away like wow you know what I could probably do something different let me figure that out you know
personally.

Geoff:
[53:18] Which which is nice but of course going back to Sisters point I didn’t believe the same open invitation for the testers to figure it out studies like get off social media.

Kurt:
[53:27] I think that’s I think they’ve learned from that.

Sisters:
[53:29] Maybe that maybe that’s what happened maybe the sister’s got a little overzealous and like comparative comparing and I don’t know could be maybe maybe they said we need to simmer down I don’t know.

Kurt:
[53:44] Cuz I know from my wife’s experience like she’s she’s really I mean
I agree my opinion she doesn’t obsess over in all the Instagram or she’s not on her phone a lot and so it wouldn’t when it came out she just sort of felt like why am I doing this like
I mean I’ll do it I guess but I don’t feel like I need to you know and so we just sort of awkward’s for some.

Geoff:
[54:04] Can I can I buy this is not as a fermaglich can I reference something that,
might have been his mother’s might be the polemicist in me a little bit goes to the same session and so we end of it you have the print of the church,
also getting on the case about the too much time with that Uno Athletics and such and,
how you dress and groom and Anna PR snickersville Pierre we modest all sorts of things as men this is good pencil but if we do go back to the first speaker in the procession Elder Stevenson,
Hermosa just ripping a little beer he based his entire rock on how amazing athletes are and if they can teach us about,
how is she followed and inciting like Bryce Harper and I’m kind of cramping up like they showed a picture of Bryce Harper getting married Bryce Harper has his his not Honor Code proved haircut so we say it wouldn’t fly at the testing center BYU,
spine is doing good thing but at the same time I couldn’t help kind of laugh to myself like other Stevens propping him up like look at this guy,
doing awesome things and then in the same session president Nelson’s like part your hair nicely and shave.

[55:16] Oh say what is truth.

Sisters:
[55:18] Well I guess you could say there was just something for everyone that in that session.

Kurt:
[55:37] He was dead I just remember that it was too late he was dead.

Geoff:
[55:42] It’s not like some cute story like know if a bunch of people watched a girl get killed by a dog and the moral story is in there and save the squirrel when it’s good it was too like a squirrel was dead,
one interesting thing out of someone pointed out so present Oak set,
we talked about little yourself will this will be where will this lead is important in choosing how we label or think of ourselves most importantly either of us has a child of God with a pencil,
didn’t have eternal life every other label including occupation race physical characteristics of honors is temporary or tripping in Eternal terms but used to label label yourselves or think of yourselves in terms,
of limit on a golf what you might strike,
out of the council overall but some people in and out that he said race and wondered does that mean that race is not an eternal designation I don’t think I quite got there from comments,
but I found that to be an interesting interpretation by Kurt you were there if we were.

[56:58] Probably yes in the mail Hustler yes there was a dead squirrel this is what we do in private session thank you for the comment,
this is what we talked about ladies wondered for years what kind of shenanigans we get into ice to tell my wife we took that spells and stuff like that really started broadcasting on the internet which ruined all of my font but,
yeah. Talk about a dead squirrel and the murder of a squirrel and that coupled with the almost at Skydive earlier or later,
the session this morning I thought this was a very moist conference this death all around to teach lesson.

Kurt:
[57:32] They got to keep the attention.

Geoff:
[57:34] All right are we good to go.

Kurt:
[57:38] Sunday morning Jeff.

Geoff:
[57:39] All right take their Sunday morning people tell me thing.

Kurt:
[57:41] I was I’m very much intrigued by Elder renlund his is talk.

Sisters:
[57:45] Yes I like to read.

Kurt:
[57:47] Going to spend some time there
Friday night and I appreciate I just might this is a Doctrine I have been struggling with it trying to fully understand so I can better articulated with because just this idea of we get no blessing unless we earn it
your actions just does not seem there’s just no room for grace in there
and so do I appreciate him expounding upon that Doctrine and clarifying a little more deeply so that there is room for Grace a lot of Grace.

Sisters:
[58:14] Yeah I thought it was really good I loved I love the clarification cuz it is a very confusing doctor and we here,
wait about it but and I liked his example of the fire and the kindling I loved what he said at the very end how he brought it back to the come follow me with our families and he said some line about our your come follow me manuals and scriptures sitting in a pile,
and like a pile of kindling waiting to be let in your home and I was kind of like,
maybe I mean we’ve been trying but there’s more we can do and so I liked that he brought it brought back to that because that was a good example for me of what I need to do.

Geoff:
[58:59] Come follow me for me has been surprisingly not easy I actually thought it’d be easier to go after then it has been it’s worth it completely but it’s was Eckhart.

Kurt:
[59:10] I’m with you it’s just I mean I would we try to build build a routine around it and I’m assuming you do better there but I really appreciate Elder renlund and then later Elder Bednar just there I mean I felt invigorated and motivate okay like I
get it like this is is it was a good reminder of what we’re trying to do.

Sisters:
[59:26] Yeah I felt like a lot of speakers hit on it and their talks and try to remind us and encourage us and also just kind of like do it you know just do it.

Geoff:
[59:40] There was a lot you should coined that phrase.

[59:49] I wish those voice tone of just like guys going to get stuff done I feel that they’re out all the sessions anybody have any thoughts on Eubanks I love her she’s also.

Kurt:
[1:00:03] Sister Eubank is the the female Elder uchtdorf I’ve ever been just love,
righteous in which rightly so I mean she just has a way of,
presenting things in a way that’s relatable and it’s real and and she seems real you know not that others don’t but she just.

Geoff:
[1:00:25] I love to talk about you all the salt the temple she has a view of it and then Lights Went Out
one time they come go there and come on at the time when it was getting dark and I love the line is people addressed and fixed it and done all the issues to make sure it worked set of horror to get lights back on by yourself,
I love the way she later that cuz you don’t think she was going there explained it took old team to fix this thing,
and she reminds us of ourselves like the temple is this the sacred place and it needs to be lit takes,
a village so to speak to make that happen we need friends we need each other we need to support one another it’s so easy to give the gospel by yourself and assume that,
you’re just kind of on your own figure this out and hopefully pull do it and,
and hopefully you on friends at some point by we can see each other a lot more than we do and I try to do that once in my other form years ago
he has to be more real which other sort of speak and that just kind of go to the motion that we always do but know each other and support one another and if we do that we’ll be
I know that our sacrifices are not in vain the sister Eubanks says but yes she is the female.

Sisters:
[1:01:41] I did love Elder Cooks talk as well
but you know and he wasn’t the only one who talked about this there were several that talked about this and and maybe I just was attuned to this because my new calling is family history person for the ward family in Temple
perp history person for the ward and he was talking about you know are there was a lot of talk about home centered Church
and and that our meetings on Sunday support our home center church and that
the family history Center we each have our own little individual family history centers in our home via the Internet and we go to the church for support not the other way around.

Geoff:
[1:02:23] I were you boil of that cuz you’re like I don’t have to sit there all the time help your people free card.

Sisters:
[1:02:27] Except now I have to go to their houses and teach them at their houses.

Geoff:
[1:02:33] Is that how it is now you’re so you’re on call.

Sisters:
[1:02:35] I am on call but before I can be on call I have to figure out what I’m doing because I don’t know what I’m doing yet.

Geoff:
[1:02:42] It seems that you’re showing people how to use the internet that’s what I’m.

Sisters:
[1:02:45] Yeah we’ll see that I have to figure out how to use it first don’t you know by now or technically tell.

Geoff:
[1:03:00] Come so so so so far,
take that as far as the desk in order to print cars,
when you’re there and I scan a barcode on the spot and do it just to let things like that it’s made it work self easier on me when they started letting you do cards at home and doing the majority of that work by yourself and made a huge difference to me how much I was getting done,
taking the time to go to the family history Center wall a great resource that we had her so long wasn’t convenient as well be an hour and so it’s.

Sisters:
[1:03:46] Yeah it’s changed a lot.

Geoff:
[1:03:48] I don’t know another Kristofferson but you don’t have to that. That was.

Kurt:
[1:03:53] I’m still gnawing on that talk I actually listen to it twice and it’s it’s his is our always sit down and read.

Geoff:
[1:04:02] Yeah his take some bye-bye like that he said this is the Lord’s we have to remember we’re doing all this work we should pause to remember it’s the Lord’s work he is doing it he is Lord of The Vineyard he lets us labor in the vineyard this last time
but he doesn’t live with us which is a good reminder light on a lot he’s not just standing dictating Like an Eagle Scout project actually there doing all.

Sisters:
[1:04:23] In the trenches.

Kurt:
[1:04:26] And then the decision ended up with the president Nelson as strong talk about to you know,
sting taking the steps to to be with your family in in,
the tainos ordinances in and not put it off his time is running out I mean that that the end of his Talk of the end of like that I got a lot of Buzz just cuz like it’s kind of scary when the provinces time is running out.

Geoff:
[1:04:51] Keep thinking of the use song everytime I hear that much,
not it is if you knew of what I spoke all right whatever will make you be out your music on this episode,
I would I like president present Nelson seems to be a very affable approachable individual but,
like leading off time about his daughter that passed away I mean got rid of got real right there also in your like dude he’s like letting us in,
beyond the professional level year.

Sisters:
[1:05:26] That was kind of amazing to hear him recount that and get a little bit emotional about it if course and,
yeah well and I think very humanizing as well because you know sometimes we put our prophets up on this pedestal and to see him and And the emotions that he’s going through in the death of a child,
all of us deal with when we Face death I really I was very glad he sure that with me too.

Geoff:
[1:05:54] Any other thoughts on Sunday morning before we venture toward final session.

Kurt:
[1:06:02] Let’s go to the final say.

Sisters:
[1:06:03] Go to the final.

Geoff:
[1:06:04] All right I’m going on you guys a lot cuz at this point behavior of my children had evolved quite a bit,
and yeah so my notes will get more stars like this is literally what it says for president Oaks my notes a repentant, cleansing. No idea that’s all.

Sisters:
[1:06:20] What you did you like Oaks Tiffany usually like Oaks because I think they.

Geoff:
[1:06:27] Lawyer to lawyer.

Sisters:
[1:06:43] And he was basically saying you know cuz,
he was kind of debunking the myth that I owe you can just repent in the spirit world because he was saying you know we don’t really know if that is true the best place to do your repentance is here on Earth where your spirit and body are in the same are together because it could be a lot harder
in the spirit world and so whatever you have to take care of take care of it now
and he talked about how the resurrection will restore a perfect body
but that doesn’t necessarily mean the the Sims the things that we have committed that we haven’t repented for our are going to be,
restored in perfect form we have to we have to live to take care of it now is what he was saying,
and use the atonement he really focused on the atonement and he said the atonement is an Open Door for everyone to go through and repent
so take advantage of it.

Geoff:
[1:07:40] Kurt give anything to a because I don’t.

Kurt:
[1:07:42] Yeah I know is looking somewhere I appreciated the,
the Straight Talk we don’t even mention individuals who are excommunicated or have remove their name from the church and and and there’s a few places at constant call to them to to return and even,
president Nelson said you know as the president of the church you know I how I reset it I am calling you you know to come back and repent,
and I thought there was one place I don’t know if it was in this talk or in this Presa toggle present Oaks it something that you know repentance isn’t meant to be like a punishment or something and.

Sisters:
[1:08:19] It was just talk.

Kurt:
[1:08:20] Yeah and I wish when he said there’s like what I wish that would mean we’d stop calling it a disciplinary count.

Geoff:
[1:08:26] Council of Love Kurt love.

Kurt:
[1:08:29] Right but that’s not the official name and that’s the name that people mock is with,
I just I just wish we could remove the discipline of repentance cuz all the discipline happened on Christ and,
I don’t know about is fantastic talk around these doctrines that the that I’m excited to dive back into.

Geoff:
[1:08:49] What one I did miss to really getting on Elder bednar’s talk
I’m a big over Bednar lover I was loved his talks and maybe this like her lawyer things I hardly fast myself an academic but at the same time I think his I think his approach very academic and they explained,
thanks and I I want to love a sexy always says like,
this is what we’re going to do I’m going to explain to you in three steps how we achieve these thing then afterwards I will issue a closing statement about it so,
you know we talked all about Joseph but then what I really loved even after saying that the most important Sunday learning we do in the home that was a
great reminder about how I’m feeling and I’m following Danny talked about the temple and this was so good and important I think.

[1:09:34] Especially in light of some changes that happened in the temple in January that caused everyone to say,
don’t say anything about the temple outside of the temple you say nothing and I was like I don’t know true,
but okay,
when I got that I got that a lot right nobody would say anything anything at all so I let Elder Bednar tried to take the time to help us,
understand the line a bit better and how we can go about this tent really comes down to Concepts right but I think he wasn’t as a common sense were afraid of wrong but,
you know it’s a guidelines were and I got to write these down verbatim but he said it cuz we love the Lord we should all speak about his house with reverent check we should not the close of describe the symbols associated with the covenants receiving Temple ceremonies check,
I think that’s pretty obvious,
if you’ve been to Temple the set point the temple is the house of board everything points to cry we may discuss the big purposes for a doctrine of and principles associated with temple work,
and covets those resuming guidelines and I think that get us a lot of room respectfully,
to talk about Temple cuz he he made the pool and I feel like I went through this myself.

[1:10:53] People go in there like either in home you’re not enthusiastic about gun or you’re not really really fat,
and then it doesn’t mean much to you or it’s harder to digest whatever it might be,
we can do a lot more to have people feel unprepared so they understand what the temple is really all about so much about it we can talk on a positive way. Don’t get into the specifics of the exact things that you meant I think that’s totally.

Sisters:
[1:11:17] And the other thing he did is he referenced some of the resources that are available online that you can show your children as you are preparing them for the temple you know I just had a missionary.
what did the boundaries of what was appropriate
she ended up having a great experience and she’s like when do I get to go back because she was adequately prepared for it
makes a big difference for sure yeah he said everybody the website and then I also love he gave like a list of things to look up in the Bible dictionary,
study more about temples I was frantically writing those down to just all good ideas of what we can.

Kurt:
[1:12:05] He gave us homework Jeff just like an academic would.

Geoff:
[1:12:08] Academic still give you homework to give you reading music.

Kurt:
[1:12:12] Alright readings yes and there may be a quiz when you come back.

Geoff:
[1:12:15] No no no no no because it’s just reading and writing papers that’s all it is reading and writing.

Kurt:
[1:12:19] And a lot of it.

Geoff:
[1:12:21] And this was great I hope people will Embrace this realize that we can do even feel like curriculum,
kind of theirs cuz I’m holding it while since I’ve done it but,
yeah I think we’re going to a great place where we can be more open about that that was he was kind of solid and then on I’ve liked what I heard Elder McKay saying and the way he said he had a beautiful Katie.

Kurt:
[1:12:48] He was he was a performer.

Geoff:
[1:12:49] Yeah but I was.

Kurt:
[1:12:51] I want to read some Shakespeare.

Geoff:
[1:12:54] Some Shakespeare,
Globe Theater up in this business.

Sisters:
[1:12:59] He did remind us that Deliverance may take longer than we would like.

Kurt:
[1:13:06] But time is running out.

Sisters:
[1:13:09] What time is running out.

Geoff:
[1:13:12] Other one to mention two other Apostles left and if you have any thoughts and Elder rasband.

Kurt:
[1:13:19] It was a interesting a photo going around on Twitter of President Hinckley at Elder gong wedding,
and it was a it’s worth it’s worth.

Geoff:
[1:13:31] Why have I not seen this man how do you send it how do you send it to me right now.

Kurt:
[1:13:33] I I retweeted it but okay I’ll look it up but I cuz I think Elder gong’s wife is the daughter of a general Authority or pass.

Geoff:
[1:13:43] Are always know somebody they’re all related.

Kurt:
[1:13:47] Better get old young Elder gong was there just naive is ever so I’ll find it.

Sisters:
[1:13:51] Wow yeah that be fun to see.

Geoff:
[1:13:55] I like to talk to him you tell about how the Good Shepherd acts and we as the Sheep should act squishy / Reckless and then to Shepherd.

Sisters:
[1:14:03] Yeah I thought was good and I love how he said he pointed out that the Good Shepherd went after the one while still watching the 99 I thought that was important to remember like,
just don’t forget those who are may appear to not be struggling as much as others we still have to watch out for them to sew.

Geoff:
[1:14:23] Kurt I have to imagine in Your Capacity with bling Saints and just in your leadership positions that you’ve seen either yourself or others fall into that trap of working so hard to chase after the one that you accidentally abandoned the rest.

Kurt:
[1:14:37] For sure I mean you can,
get hyper focused on Nana’s not even individuals sometimes it’s like I have this this you know summer barbecue idea came to me so clearly that I must you know,
over invest myself in in this idea you know.

Geoff:
[1:14:57] All right last big ahk then.

Kurt:
[1:14:59] Well I’m sharing I’m going to I’m sharing the picture with on the screen UCF.

Sisters:
[1:15:04] Oh oh oh oh my.

Geoff:
[1:15:06] I’m dying or just sick.

Sisters:
[1:15:09] I’ll look how young like 12.

Kurt:
[1:15:13] Right the glasses.

Geoff:
[1:15:13] Play still being used but he’s Rocco’s Coke bottles though it’s uneven back then.

Sisters:
[1:15:19] Well that’s fine.

Geoff:
[1:15:29] Any thoughts on the Elder rasband Fortress.

Sisters:
[1:15:31] It was good just another preparer prepare your family kind of a thing.

Geoff:
[1:15:39] There’s a lot of that is everyone afraid even if you feel the second coming closer now than you did on.

Kurt:
[1:15:47] I think by definition Jeff it would be close to us,
come on Friday.

Sisters:
[1:15:57] Feel like it’s more than two days closer but I do feel like jeez I got to kind of get my act together a little bit more I need a little refocus and hunker down yeah.

Geoff:
[1:16:11] I got two dogs kinds of just it seemed and after all this,
this hoopla everyone expecting all of the many bajillion rumors that come about no more Word of Wisdom codifying the family proclamation Lauder Mission the song.

Sisters:
[1:16:29] Well they had our they had our attention like they had great great attention.

Geoff:
[1:16:36] I really hope not trying to take advantage of us that way like they’re not sitting room a look,
after these has two one they’re all expecting something huge we can just drag them along until the end of never deliver it will be like this the series finale of lost it’s going to great.

Sisters:
[1:16:51] Well I want to I want to say on that they had her attention except for when the speakers were up there talking and you looked at the display there behind them it looked like a vegetable tray I kept getting distracted,
is that tail.

Kurt:
[1:17:05] I got a lot of Twitter love.

Sisters:
[1:17:07] I like that but it was all over the place like there were succulents and flowers and there were.

Kurt:
[1:17:14] I saw people photoshopping ranch dressing,
I guess it was.

Geoff:
[1:17:21] One thing I miss those second the last Maine to call number before President Nelson why were there subtitles on that song did I miss the explanation.

Sisters:
[1:17:30] Yes I don’t know my husband and I had the same conversation I thought they got rid of all the stuff.

Geoff:
[1:17:36] Is it a is it a new verse is it a new saw a woman time it is.

Sisters:
[1:17:40] No it’s a primary song it’s been around for a long time are we talking about I know my savior loves me yeah yeah that’s a primary song it’s been around forever.

Geoff:
[1:17:49] Why of nowhere else over the weekend we have the subtitles but that one I I must have missed it if anyone knows,
cuz I don’t think they made an announcement out of them they just dropped I want to see the bouncing ball rolling along,
as they’re singing this heard you know talking about are you busy.

Kurt:
[1:18:10] No I actually just noticed the very last few lines that that I was at 5 I have no idea why was that was.

Geoff:
[1:18:18] I meant it I have no idea of course for full circle now. President Nelson in repent so guys we actually made it through all of conference pretty effectively that was very impressive,
well done to all well girl wrapping up here Kurt Vonnegut view a chance telephone about the questioning Saints and we are going on you might as well get some.

Kurt:
[1:18:41] Oh you know I I I never thought you’d ask in fact I may have a Graphic that I can throw.

Geoff:
[1:18:45] Oh wow.

Kurt:
[1:18:46] Just by chance and yes so this is cool because there’s so many references to how we can reach out and love those that maybe have stepped away from the church or a really wrestling with with their faith end
we are going to we have a summit ready to go that’s happening a week from Tuesday,
and you work you can register now to go to Leading Saints. Org questioning,
and you can register it’s a free online conference so you watch day today and we’ve got everybody from elderhaven and his wife to Anthony sweat to you know.

Geoff:
[1:19:22] Jana riess I look at you.

Kurt:
[1:19:25] Gianna Reese’s part of that few BYU professors and we all talked about this question how can we better validate and love those who are questioned their faith room or stepped away from the faith and
it’s I’m excited to share these interviews cuz they’re so I just love being a part of their so good.

Geoff:
[1:19:43] And look at you it’s at the quite the Hedgehog on their man.

Kurt:
[1:19:46] Oh yeah man that’s that’s.

Geoff:
[1:19:48] Rover Brad Wilcox Brad Wilcox got nothing on you that’s ever,
your semin cool Uggs are in Tiffany anything you want to plug and he said are you just like starting them anything you want to work on your Downstream.

Sisters:
[1:20:04] No not yet we are in Idaho so you never know.

Kurt:
[1:20:10] Melaleuca.

Sisters:
[1:20:11] What no no no we’re actually in Scentsy country up here.

Kurt:
[1:20:16] How’s that Boy Ciara.

Sisters:
[1:20:18] Yeah that’s the boy scary that the Sensi guy lives in her steak.

Geoff:
[1:20:21] I don’t know what that means.

Kurt:
[1:20:24] Send see the candles Jeff don’t tell your wife.

Geoff:
[1:20:27] I live in DC we’ve got to live Liars all over the place I don’t even know tell the whole marketing to make that work man I’m doing okay,
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Sisters:
[1:20:57] Yeah well maybe we’ll post more if we get somewhere.

Geoff:
[1:21:01] Tiffany told me that she’s going to start post recipes for Lebanese food so you heard.

Sisters:
[1:21:07] Oh yeah cuz I eat so much Lebanese food that’s.

Geoff:
[1:21:12] No time no better time to start just try challenge you to be a better person if an 8 lb on Gray.

Sisters:
[1:21:14] Hahaha that’s that’s not within my countries of food that I will eat I have very specific countries that I will only eat their food.

Geoff:
[1:21:23] Okay go to Cracker Barrel I don’t care do whatever you,
anyway I very much appreciate the twin sisters Tiffany and Arian coming to sit down at a conference with us as well as my good pal always nice of you to stop by,
thank you everybody hope you all had a great conference please go to this week in Mormons I come let us know how we’re doing some Drive via however you get for podcasts and we’ll talk to you soon as I can say to close things be well be holy and be happy.