Geoff and Kurt are back with the latest in Latter-day Saint news! A ton of stuff has happened of note, and we’ll get to it just as soon a we blow 10 minutes talking about whatever we want.

The top story this week is undoubtedly the announcement by the Church that removes the requirement that couples that marry civilly must wait a year before being sealed in the temple. Now they can get married civilly, if so desired, and hit up the temple as they see fit. This is huge news for non- and part-member families, in particular, but perhaps also represents a precursor toward temple sealers ceasing to perform civil ceremonies altogether? After all, we were tipped off about that very thing five years ago, and it did not come to fruition.

As part of that story, blogger Jasmin Gimenez has a terrific history of the now-defunct policy. You should give it a read.

Near the end of this past weekend’s BYU Women’s Conference, Relief Society General President Jean B. Bingham related a story about a time when priesthood leadership in her ward was unnecessarily difficult. She was frustrated. Her hot husband felt her frustration. She learned a lot about working with leaders from the process. The problem for some, however, is that Sister Bingham described women as “shrill” and “stubborn.” Whoops.

In This Week in Polemics™, Geoff asks why we listen to the wives of General Authorities when those wives are not ordained or sustained as anything?! WHY IS THIS? Not even once, Wendy!

All returnED missionaries are now eligible for a component of BYU Pathways, allowing them to enroll in a preparatory year-long course. This is great news for higher education and the continuance of education for the Lord’s children, regardless of the access they have to education in their native lands.

Lest we forget, for a few blissful days, we all learned that users could change the icon in the Gospel Library mobile app, including a Lego Moroni! Sadly, we can only assume this was deliberately slipped beneath the gaze of supervisors as developers published the app, for the Easter egg quietly disappeared in about a day through a forced update.

Have you seen our excellent podcast miniseries on motherhood? You should check out Part 1 here.

In crushing news, The Other Side of Heaven 2 is rated PG-13. Will families even see it?!

Transcript

Geoff:
[0:36] Yep that’s right I want to start the show the exact opposite way of Josie special podcast from us from Sunday which is very calm and measured.

Kurt:
[0:47] You blew out our speakers Jeff.

Geoff:
[0:49] I did not I leaned back like a pop singer hitting the loud high notes that’s what you do so you don’t overdrive the mic man.

Kurt:
[0:59] Your true professional.

Geoff:
[1:00] I really am people listen to this week in Mormons that’s the name of the show in your ear as you speak in case you’re tuning at the first time to hear my professional,
in audio production.

Kurt:
[1:12] If if I was somebody Tuning In For the First Time Jeff what on Earth how would you explain this thing called this weekend Mormon.

Geoff:
[1:19] I feel like it’s gone past the point of being able to be a.

Kurt:
[1:23] What about like when your your ministry Brothers come over and they’re like so Jeff like what are your hobbies you like I got a podcast.

Geoff:
[1:30] First of all no one visited my home except remember the stake presidency in like over a year,
and I don’t tell I don’t I don’t know I’ve always felt weird at a church setting bring up the podcast now cuz I’m ashamed in any way because I don’t wanna feel like I’m milking like Ward membership to get a fanbase if that makes sense I don’t know.

Kurt:
[1:51] Believe me Jeff that makes sense to me that’s for sure.

Geoff:
[1:54] I mean I talked about it if asked and that’s fine but I don’t like to go out of my way and have I just want people to think I’m trying to promote it in.

Kurt:
[2:02] Are there people in your ward that listen and they like see on Sundays and then I get a great episode.

Geoff:
[2:07] There there might be a few I’ve also see I’ve seen nobody tells me about the episode of I have noticed some people in my ward unbeknownst to me have liked like some of our Facebook content,
so I’ve seen a little bit of that a couple voices here and there but as far as if anyone is anyone listening in my ward which shall remain nameless but if you’re in my ward,
you know who you are hit me up.

Kurt:
[2:34] Washington in DC 12th Ward.

Geoff:
[2:36] Sure him there not 12 words in DC.

Kurt:
[2:40] So

Geoff:
[2:41] Dog tell me find me on Sunday and say I heard you and I love you and I need you and give me a hug cuz I like them I could use a good hug.

Kurt:
[2:52] Suggest this is speaking of that this is let me let me tell you how famous I am.

Geoff:
[2:56] By the way this is Kirk Franklin with leading Saints in case you didn’t know.

Kurt:
[3:00] Wish I had my own podcast and I have to try to explain while insisting and Leadership and in the context of the church.

Geoff:
[3:06] Before you get to that briefly at let me try to elevator pitch it since you asked me to do that and then I’ll turn it over to you
someone asked me I would say this week in Mormons is a podcast devoted to a robust yet sometimes humorous overview of news facing and issues facing the Latter Day Saint community
where we have to cover the news and have special guests.

Kurt:
[3:31] And I think you need to add that you are a faithful card-carrying member of the church because the first time I heard this week in Mormons it took me about six or seven episodes right.
okay I thought yep I think they’re I think they’re in I think they’re in.

Geoff:
[3:46] I was probably Al’s running off at the mouth,
and then your way back then you prior to drop something like when I was in the high council meeting and you like Charlie what now.

Kurt:
[3:56] I’ve got to track down to say president and notify you.

Geoff:
[4:00] This smells in the High Council so as you were tell us what’s going on on your end on the leader.

Kurt:
[4:05] Yes I was telling you as far as I people approaching about podcast I am many of you may not know that I am a caricature artist and you can follow me on Instagram it dry you funny but anyways I so I do,
I do I do corporate events and weddings I’m at this wedding last Friday and I’m and I’m doing my business drawn people funny and there’s a line behind us that you know the receiving line cuz it’s a horrible tradition we have in Utah and.

Geoff:
[4:32] Receiving lines art.

Kurt:
[4:33] People watching me draw people are watching me draw as a as a waiting in line and then suddenly I hear,
hey honey it’s a d Kirk frankum and I turn around and I see these people I have no idea who they are and they’re like we’re big fans and I thought,
of my caricatures or they said no bleeding say.

Geoff:
[4:52] It was definite was definitely that there like dry you funny change my marriage.

Kurt:
[4:57] Yes anyway so I do run into,
but various Encounters of people that recognize me I was at fanx as well and a guy in in the in the Princess Swan Swan whatever,
Booth said hey I know you leading Saints I’m really famous jazz and that’s what I’m trying to get across there.

Geoff:
[5:19] I would also say the most recognition I feel like I got a church or elsewhere was probably within like the first 18 months of twins existence LDS podcast now compared to that,
and especially when I moved to DC,
why didn’t know anybody I do nobody when I moved here I’m just like bumping the people at church and they like you’re that guy runs that this about this weekend moments podcast,
it was more uncomfortable than anything cuz it felt weird to me that there were people all the way across the other side of the country I’m from LA and all the sound of a DC and there’s like random girls and women women in my ward
who knew who I was and none of them were worthy of them of my dating time so I didn’t realize.

Kurt:
[6:02] Cuz you were single this time.

Geoff:
[6:03] Today I couldn’t want to be groupies it didn’t wasn’t.

Kurt:
[6:06] Didn’t somebody recognize owls voice in an elevator I ever met.

Geoff:
[6:09] Probably what is surprise me if memories.

Kurt:
[6:14] This week in Mormons you like he’s like.

Geoff:
[6:18] Here and there but now I’m more Anonymous than I used.

Kurt:
[6:23] So you been you’ve been a bachelor for a few days.

Geoff:
[6:26] It’s bet it’s been a busy couple of weeks I guess cuz they’ll you know last week we had,
the last week we had the interview with the bag ladies who do the Mormon marriage podcast I was good
yeah that’s been going on that’s why last week’s Publix cuz I was in California the time and didn’t want to deal with podcast publishing while I was there so we went we flew California couple weeks ago for my dad’s 70th birthday,
which is great my parents are divorced and my dad lives just by himself in a little apartment and my mom currently lives in China
so her house is off-limits while she rented so is great but we got an Airbnb I got all my siblings my siblings of all around the West End of us live in California right now
we got a house my brother came down with his kid and he was great cuz his son and my two sons and never met those cut that side of cousins have never been together or anything so.

Kurt:
[7:16] Some cousin bonding it going on.

Geoff:
[7:18] Boys all play Rod a good time with my dad didn’t know we were coming we also we surprised him so it was great he was she cried and it was like there’s a lot of fun to be a great time there and if.

Kurt:
[7:28] Tell assistant what was the reveal how did you surprise them until the store.

Geoff:
[7:31] It wasn’t as good as when I did my mom 60th which was excellent but I’ll,
whatever send me an email to that one but so my dad’s we went to a restaurant and,
he only knew my younger sister was coming to town she lives in Phoenix so hers is the most realistic like at your birthday weekend I’ll drive out you know it’s a five-hour drive her so she said she’s going to drive out and see him and meet him for breakfast,
and so we all kind of hit around the corner I got the people at the restaurant what a sit-in and an unused part of the restaurant like for bigger groups in the back,
and I we went hit there and he just walked in and then we were around the corner you couldn’t see us at the table or anything we surprised at that would have said surprise and he was stuck.

Kurt:
[8:11] It’s like a child.

Geoff:
[8:13] This is his kids.

Kurt:
[8:15] Sure that’s sweet Jeff.

Geoff:
[8:17] Oregon so it’s really nice it was great and then like you mentioned the bachelor thing so we know by watching San Diego so we
well I went down there I said a couple days down there with the In-laws in that gang and I took off came back to DC and they stayed for some extra time so I’ve been,
hanging out here by my lonesome doing lots of stuff cuz we’re redoing our kitchen so I basically been hanging out and it’s great timing so I don’t have young children trying to avoid being destroyed by debris,
tools and such and now it’s far enough along that it’s safe for them to come home,
and that was good and I’m changing I change jobs so that was so last week I ended my employee at one place I started another one this week it’s been very busy lots of,
yeah busy times.

Kurt:
[9:04] In the dream and the wife comes back tonight right.

Geoff:
[9:08] Yes by the time all of you here this she will be back I guarantee this will not be published before they’re.

Kurt:
[9:12] Try and break in Jessup.

Geoff:
[9:16] That’s why I didn’t want it I was going to be the one to say it but thank you if you have an interest in the late eighties Town Hall.

Kurt:
[9:23] It was an unfinished kitchen.

Geoff:
[9:27] A soon-to-be finish kitchen but an unfinished half a basement anyway on your personal and everything going well how is the questioning Saints Summit I don’t know if everyone knows about that.

Kurt:
[9:38] Yeah so give me some background so we put on we do these virtual some it’s over at leading Saints us our third one we did motivating Saints and teaching Saints and now this is,
last few weeks we did questioning Saint so basically was content all around the idea of how do we as weather leaders parents
Orthodox members of the church better minister to those who are questioning their faith and it was fantastic we had,
1600 or so register and attending of virtually.

Geoff:
[10:10] Let’s hear that your biggest one,
tell us all of your numbers and private metric.

Kurt:
[10:16] I’m pretty transparent,
it was definitely I don’t know I think the teaching Saints one was bigger but but that’s more of a general topic even though questions asked why General but I mean let me give you an example of how awesome this was I got this email,
they said,
this content is too good seriously I have told you before about my free fall into Faith crisis and the leading Saints podcast stop the free fall and is giving me a ladder to climb back out thank you is not is not just eating enough,
life-saving stuff my friend.

Geoff:
[10:52] So we have it we have it right there their words Kirk Franklin Safe Life.

Kurt:
[10:55] Sew-in if you are there still three sessions available if you want to go check it out at leading Saints. Org questioning and we’re always putting good content out there.

Geoff:
[11:05] You even did an interview with Tad R Callister recently didn’t you.

Kurt:
[11:08] I did yeah yeah it was an,
it was he was a tough interview to be honest I mean I think they editing and,
dealt with to hide a little bit but he’s an attorney so he was very direct in you know usually interview people as you know Jeff Easter want to,
expound on different stories and experiences and I’d ask him a question and he give me about four words I be like okay well,
and I did feel like I didn’t feel like he was like dodging my question or anything he’s just very.

Geoff:
[11:40] It see it it’s during interviews like that that
every now and then if I’ve interviewed people like a lot of time if people have the capability and the know-how and everything I like to get them to record themselves at the best quality audio file you know when to send it over our way and it will put it together afterwards but it doesn’t work that way IHOP on something
and whatever it is he’s going is iffy
or if I want to just say forget it and burn the village down I wish I was on zencastr just so I can get all their audio no matter what happens even if they get so upset with me they hang up then I can still publishing,
nothing you wanted upset Tad R Callister what is no longer a general anything so you can say whatever was it this was post released from Sun.

Kurt:
[12:16] Oh yeah yeah sure sure so it’s always fun to sit down with those guys and those.

Geoff:
[12:22] It’s always fun to sit down with those general authorities and general officer that is Hangout.

Kurt:
[12:26] Cuz I’m really famous Jeff as I mentioned the beginning of this smells great.

Geoff:
[12:31] Well I think you need to I think you need to try to sit down with a jean B Bingham can you get her.

Kurt:
[12:39] I don’t I think the the I actually tried to interview the wife of a 70 and they even turned me down there because,
it’s all official there the voice of the church even not obviously their wife isn’t but anyways a so I doubt that the General Relief Society president.

Geoff:
[12:59] That’s actually very interesting thing you just brought up you said the wife,
isn’t I’ve been thinking about this a little bit actually lately I’ve been debating whether it’s worth exploring not through a snarky article I’m worried if I write about this there’s no way it’ll be fairly received by any front so I’ll just floating on the podcast,
my face is essentially prophet’s wives are not general authorities, so why do we listen to them,
you see I mean that’s a little polemic,
so that might be a jerk about it but it is an interesting point because I think we seen this pimp in recent years and I welcome it to be clear,
that general authorities McNeely the 12 in the first president to travel around with their wives and if they speak their wife is also speaking it’s not like their wife is the intern,
one who introduces the keynote speaker like been in the past they really worked harder to bring their spouses in to make it a joint thing,
I think that’s great you know it’s more inclusive it gives the women higher visibility and I think that’s really wonderful and important but on the flip side the other part of me does think about this and say they’re not called I mean,
like like they’re speaking to the church and then teaching us and giving us things and they’re not called or set apart I mean I don’t know if they’re set apart as a prophet’s wife that could be things like when your mission president’s wife your kind of anyway,
I’m going to get a lot of flack for this but it’s something I thought about a little bit I’m trying to do in a jerky way.

Kurt:
[14:22] And I wonder if you know when sister Bingham travels around is her husband speaking.

Geoff:
[14:27] I don’t I’ve never I don’t know what it looks like.

Kurt:
[14:29] I don’t think so.

Geoff:
[14:30] Let’s look at Jean B Bingham husband I bet he’s hot.

Kurt:
[14:33] There is the title of this episode Jeff I bet he’s hot.

Geoff:
[14:38] His name is others play pictures his name is Bruce Bingham he’s lacking hair on top of his head but he looks like a great guy.

Kurt:
[14:47] Is this Justin Lee weird Jeff.

Geoff:
[14:51] He looks like a great guy cell.

Kurt:
[14:53] Wow.

Geoff:
[14:54] Look at them they’re they’re smiling they’re so happy they’re standing and somewhere in Salt Lake City looks like the plaza between the two Church buildings Good Times all around girl Bruce making it happen,
I don’t know is it you think there’s anything to that do you think the pros,
outweigh any of the condom that it’s good to have more visibility in Council for women even if those women unlike someone likes a sister Bingham who’s called and set apart for a specific role,
those women don’t have like an organizational or doctrinal place necessarily to be filling that role and I know I’m a very slippery and thin I.

Kurt:
[15:32] But this is it we’re just talking Jeff.

Geoff:
[15:35] We’re just talkin I’m just I’m just curious about other people’s thought.

Kurt:
[15:39] Yeah I mean I obviously I agree that I think it’s it’s nice to see the visibility I think it’s I think you learn something you know it when we speak just in context of like the core of the 12 and 4th pregnancy I think you
learn more about the prophet when you hurt your from his spouse,
oh and you becomes more endearing to that individual.

Geoff:
[15:58] Everyone loves sister Hinckley like it’s not like this is totally news but but I think part of that is just my nature Marjorie Hinckley just got herself in the mix she was a little Fireball and that’s just.

Kurt:
[16:07] Yeah and I think since Marjorie Hinckley you know that the prophet’s wife is definitely more as a higher-profile publicly.

Geoff:
[16:15] I don’t feel like Francis Montana very high profile. I remember when she passed away and there was a lot of Pomp and Circumstance about it and.

Kurt:
[16:21] Yeah well but I think her health was maybe worse than sister ink laser.

Geoff:
[16:26] Cuz I’m part of me feel bad cuz I felt like I’m in all this is important sport The Profit but no I didn’t feel like she was this like known beloved figure in the church at the same level as sister Hinckley and I will.

Kurt:
[16:36] Well then I guess I take that back because I mean sister Benson was her health I don’t think was a very good but sister Kimball actually read a conference talk in in in lieu of President Kimball.

Geoff:
[16:49] I should bring that back that’s straight up like Woodrow Wilson territory right there man.

Kurt:
[16:51] That would just announce it and see sister Nelson walk up there and drop the mic.

Geoff:
[17:02] She has her detractors cuz of that not even once that’s not really,
we are all that’s what I that’s one of our old issues I think if you look up not even once it’s on our website there’s a podcast that deal with that it’s probably from 2012 but sweet sister Bingham though,
so we saw that I love they did the Women’s Conference last weekend right dude BYU Women’s Conference.

Kurt:
[17:26] I was there Jeff retro taking notes.

Geoff:
[17:27] Do you work for you there.

Kurt:
[17:29] No no it wasn’t I don’t know can I go I can I guess I could threaten a lawsuit if they didn’t let me in.

Geoff:
[17:36] You sound like all the men in my word to try to join the ward Facebook group which is exclusively women like nude they don’t let men be in it.

Kurt:
[17:43] Are you serious like they won’t even approve you.

Geoff:
[17:46] Pretty much not know they don’t know it’s like okay then when will men have their day Kurt when woman have.

Kurt:
[17:53] I know we’re such a dick.

Geoff:
[17:56] Took the Women’s Conference we’re not going to do a full full rundown of attorney.

Kurt:
[18:01] But there was a moment there was a sentence that was a turd.

Geoff:
[18:03] There was a sense that was a tad so what was cool.

Kurt:
[18:05] Called-out the Twitter mob.

Geoff:
[18:06] Yeah we just said because in the end I like what they didn’t General they did a biscuit Town Hall equivalent where the presidents of blue society and women and,
primary all all got together and hung out with none other than of course Sheri Dew who else would be there she’s doing the crown jewel of,
I’m capable Mormon adult women apparently and Chris being very careful cuz I’m just sitting there biting his tongue about anything,
45th District.

Kurt:
[18:37] I’m still trying to swing an interview with Sherry do she’s like top of my bucket list because she’s the only person that told me no so many times lessor assistant.

Geoff:
[18:45] I should have got her the same night at McKay coppins back when I went to the thing with elder christofferson over the winter,
I walked I walked up a staircase and Sherry was a standing right there along the railing next,
and I was I didn’t shake her hand or anything I should have I should have taken her hand and giving her cookie any who so they didn’t,
so so they have like this for him you know the typical thing shared with moderating talking to the three of them took some questions from the audience I don’t know if the questions were probably pre-screen I would assume
and then we did a few of them but I want The Quiet One the questions was and I’m paraphrasing how do you deal with male church leaders who essentially,
don’t want to give you the time of just don’t want to take your counsel seriously and how do you work with difficult male leader.

Kurt:
[19:30] Right which don’t exist.

Geoff:
[19:32] Of course not and sister Bingham as you know why there’s no one knows what is Sister Bingham buchert tell the audience tell the people what happened.

Kurt:
[19:42] Oh oh like what did she say.

Geoff:
[19:44] I’m tired of talking it’s too much.

Kurt:
[19:46] Oh she she she basically said she was dealing with a brother that was a leader that I assume it’s the bishop I don’t know she said that but it was a difficult interaction and relationship and I think we’ve all been in those scenarios and some
point in her life and she came home from a meeting that was very discouraging and slammed her purse down and her husband said something Bruce now Bruce said.

Geoff:
[20:09] Cena has a name he’s not he’s not even named in the story that’s the sad thing she just she.

Kurt:
[20:13] Good-looking Bruce said said I was one of those purse Landing meetings right and then,
she said yes but then she mentioned how she worked out that relationship through communication and and,
and then she said the phrase was afraid I don’t try to pull the article here Jeff shrill.

Geoff:
[20:31] What’s from the trips of course that they’re they’re stupid pay wall but yeah but you didn’t say that she was she said we women essentially have a tendency to be shrill and demanding,
what does an interesting way of expressing an idea I think other words could have been used it would have been much more benign to expresses an idea of women being I don’t know,
obstinate stubborn we could use all kinds of but she’s she said that,
is one part of this whole response and I think was she trying to say that hey maybe they can also take a step back as women in like try to be more pliable and patient and work with the situation is that her main Council.

Kurt:
[21:13] Yes I believe so but I can’t even talking to you Jeff on this microphone it’s sometimes intimidating or her difficult to suppose they say things and let’s do it later like that man say like that,
so yeah and
NSI breaks my heart when I see you know when she says something I don’t think she meant how other people are taking it and especially in this social media world its butt,
yeah it sucks but I know at least more voice of female voices are out there and being hurt and so maybe we should just be grateful for that not jump on but Dogpile.

Geoff:
[21:48] And people many many took it poorly that was a point not to be out. Of course our very own Tiffany Hales one of the twin sisters,
sounded off on this is just basically she really took issue with same like I am not shrill my mom has never been shrill when I stood up to priesthood leadership,
straight up for being wrong and even if we work things out I have not been like a shrill difficult stubborn woman I have been like someone who needs to be hurt she won’t think piece about it on our website,
as an oak.

Kurt:
[22:19] Published it Jeff.

Geoff:
[22:20] I did I did with the editor’s note that says the views expressed here are not necessarily those.

Kurt:
[22:26] You said the views expressed here may sound very shrill but they’re not our.

Geoff:
[22:30] I should have said that.

Kurt:
[22:33] Love you Tiffany okay.

Geoff:
[22:36] It said that,
I love the picture that came with this article from the from Deseret News there’s some moment when
Jean B Bingham there and she got joy D Jones is the primary president Bonnie H Cordon who’s the young women’s president and joy D Jones brings out like a bag of popcorn or something,
and and I don’t I don’t know what was happening to this picture I don’t know what was half.

Kurt:
[23:02] Singers for the first time.

Geoff:
[23:04] Jean Bingham his face is like,
sister Cordon is sitting there doing like that and it was this big gesture.

Kurt:
[23:13] This is they were doing the mannequin challenge right now they they’re actually holding this and then they were like so it was moving the phone around.

Geoff:
[23:21] I just I don’t know why they’re so excited about the gift of popcorn in the bag I mean,
is she brought out like a if she brought out something really useful like a Google home Max or something said here you know have some smart home in your life,
maybe that would have been good but.

Kurt:
[23:41] Do you know what this reminds me of Jeff.

Geoff:
[23:42] It’s sew Wright.

Kurt:
[23:43] Is the meme during that you’re in you’re going to love this the meme of Hillary Clinton when the fireworks went off at one of her like it is,
I’m sending it to you we can we can link to it but I’ll put it in the comments here.

Geoff:
[24:01] Shared with me I probably seen it before but I can.

Kurt:
[24:06] It’s hilarious cuz it’s so like.

Geoff:
[24:08] Because Hillary lost and you still laugh about it is that why.

Kurt:
[24:10] Because Hillary was anyways a reaction is just priceless.

Geoff:
[24:21] I like this one oh yeah that one.

Kurt:
[24:24] Oh well. I mean when you’re on a stage you just over.

Geoff:
[24:32] You just got to be like Mitt Romney and always let the dogs out who who who what you got to do I feel so bad for him,
just just cuz of his face but his Facebook page is full of nothing but like Trump trolls is the only way to put it,
I feel so bad for him he’ll post this like normal stuff I took a trip to Israel recently you said it was great we got to meet with foreign minister and talk about Israel’s doing for this and that like a totally normal nice thing to published
and I will just like support the president supported by it’s just they’re so mean I feel so bad for him it’s totally uncalled,
nocable. Soccer what else has been happening this week in the world of Mormon to Latter-day Saint.

Kurt:
[25:12] Well I don’t know if you hurt Jeff but the church changed it quite a significant policy when it come.

Geoff:
[25:18] So is this the word of wisdom how we got rescinded during conference.

Kurt:
[25:21] Yeah I had my first cup of coffee no it’s theirs now no restriction to if you’re married civilly to be sealed as soon as possible I’m trying to,
remove all these articles Jeff I can’t find it.

Geoff:
[25:36] I didn’t move them anywhere there in the sent the Trello.

Kurt:
[25:39] Okay I’m sorry I’m sorry.

Geoff:
[25:42] Literally in the same place they always.

Kurt:
[25:44] Oh here it is yeah okay what do you think about the chef that I was.

Geoff:
[25:50] I think it sucks they shouldn’t do it every when should be punished.

Kurt:
[25:54] But this is just one of those things you always knew was coming especially since another countries this has been the case for quite some time but and it just seems so I don’t know unnecessary right.

Geoff:
[26:05] It. I believe the policy dated to like the 70s didn’t it it’s not even that.

Kurt:
[26:11] No I I don’t know if you saw this article I posted Jeff but it is goes back to 19.

Geoff:
[26:14] I’m looking at it now and I’m saying Elder renlund Elder renlund was wearing that suit man look at him at his wedding that is legit.

Kurt:
[26:21] So I guess it started way back in 90.

Geoff:
[26:24] Is that other rasband I’ll look at that hair he is glistening he is just oh my gooood okay continue on I’m just going to sit here Marvel.

Kurt:
[26:36] Yet you’ve now checked out multiple men in this.

Geoff:
[26:39] I noticed Beauty and all genders I don’t care.

Kurt:
[26:41] Nothing wrong with that right yeah there’s there’s pictures of Elder Hales Elder rasband Elder renlund,
wedding day pictures of shake it out but it goes to the history of this policy,
and so it’s official we can policy 1956 and then I was surprised
I asserted just quickly read over this but even there was a time that if you got married civilly they
they requested that you not call it like even if if if he has hair you guys married in the temple if you are married civilly first and then seal it later that was not a temple marriage that was just a ceiling,
and then then there’s even the case at one point where if you were married civilly you could not qualify for even a temple recommend in general even to go to a session.

Geoff:
[27:29] Because obviously you didn’t give her in the temple cuz you were fooling around and not worthy of it clearly that could not the only possible explanation.

Kurt:
[27:38] I sent some sparked but the it was kind of surprised that was that was a thing but we’re here now.

Geoff:
[27:45] There was an exciting there was one exception to it though if you were Mary convert of less than a year,
my understanding was if you had somebody been a member of the church like 3 months or something like that because I couldn’t go to the temple right until you if you receive your endowment,
then really like it when your spouse would hit their year mark or so in the shirt take you to go get sealed so that was kind of the one exception I was aware of.

Kurt:
[28:13] And it went in there some other exceptions like if they if they had a ways to travel and they would have they needed to stay over they require you to stay overnight the feud
a knight’s then you can get Sibley married or obviously if the government didn’t recognize the temple sealing as a is that has a marriage.

Geoff:
[28:29] Well yeah but that’s a whole different issue cuz this really,
I mean this is this is world-wide and they say it’s a minute is to align everything globally which is something we’ve been doing a lot more the past 18 months which is great but,
it’s much more of an issue in like Canada the u.s. South Africa countries that allow civil marriages and your temple sealing at once cuz you can’t in the UK for example,
any marriage has to be to publicly accessible building by law to be witnessed,
and temples not publicly accessible so UK like most country that you just get married at the courthouse or wherever you want to get married
and then go to the temple and you have an allotted amount of time to get to the nearest one I don’t have to be the same day I’d say most places in the UK you could feasibly get married the same day and make it to the London or Preston Temple but,
hey what you have like 3 days or something like that of the norm around the world for the most part is depending on proximity to one,
you have X number of days so this does change it for everybody meaning that even that doesn’t matter anymore you know you can,
you don’t even have the mega daily limit I’m sure you want to get sealed as soon as you can but even if you’re in the UK and you say you know what it’s too hard to get to Preston until 6 days from now,
or next weekend we’ll get married civilly this weekend and then we’ll go to the temple next weekend I don’t know you know something like that.

Kurt:
[29:48] Do you think the stigma will perpetuate to start cuz it says that it should you should still be encouraged to
to marry in the temple you write with the with a wedding ceremony as well but
so do you think I cuz I think back to the change within the Age 4
her sister missionaries now they serve Missions at 19 in this I saw my niece who just recently turn 19 and it was she is really been in and she decided not to serve a mission and
but it’s almost there just like new stigma there that’s like well you know it’s you can go 19 of course you’re going to serve right as I get done with shifted for.

Geoff:
[30:24] So that that’s what I’m saying so now women or female I mean I know this is just anecdotal but I just true that women are feeling the pressure like men have like why would you not be going on a mission now.

Kurt:
[30:34] Oh absolutely.

Geoff:
[30:35] For it’s always been you know with women and then treated as if you want to do this great and but honey if you come home and you’re not into it then that’s fine too will find a nice you’re a nice young man for you and that’s it.

Kurt:
[30:46] Yeah and I’m so far removed from you know of being 19 or having a nineteen-year-old that as is she you know she sort of shared of the family sort of getting emotional that she wasn’t going and I was just sort of looked at her like weed is this a thing and I talked to her about it he’s like yeah there’s there’s a lot of people she interacts with it
they assumed first that she’s going on a mission and then when she said she’s not at start of this.

Geoff:
[31:07] That’s so interesting and we shouldn’t do that amount know what that or working on that mean part of that’s why they changed the whole mission application process that last year an hour earlier this year it was last late late last year,
where everyone apply to go on a mission the same way and then you’re assigned other a proselytizing Mission or a service Mission Trevor and maybe and I think part of that or they might say you don’t have to serve and you are honorably,
honorably you know I’m not real.

Kurt:
[31:36] Outer Bailey release.

Geoff:
[31:37] No not released your honorably.

Kurt:
[31:39] Pardoned.

Geoff:
[31:40] Parted what’s a pardoned I’m told to use right now but why not.

Kurt:
[31:46] So I’m curious of this statement example so I wonder if this sort of a new statement that will come from like you know or I guess it’s,
perpetuate the same stigma of like all you’re not being married in the temple of well you know why why aren’t why aren’t you doing it to you know it’s almost seen as a higher a higher law to do that which.

Geoff:
[32:05] Which it is I hope the stigma goes away because if anything we think we’re talk about one one part of this but I think there’s a whole other side of it with people who come from part or non-member families,
and,
I think for a long time we’ve tried to have this idea of telling them like this you don’t you tell your family like this is a sacrifice this is a thing this is you know this is an important part of your life and it’s stinks that they’re not in the temple with you but,
if they can understand how important this is to you and that can teach them something about the church the by and large that I’ve seen is it just like Hertz family feelings and that’s it you know and I think this is right now because now quite honestly if someone wants to have a big party time wedding,
and have their reception alot stuff and then just go get sealed in the temple like the next morning or whatever they want to do then they can and their families feel like they’re part of the process of them actually getting married I wonder how much of a chance we’ll see on that front if essentially all the,
yoga said non part number families if by and large they will change their wedding plans I even saw Peggy Fletcher stack asking on Facebook today if anybody is doing that already if she can like talk to those people and learn from the experience you know if they’re changing your wedding plans if you’re saying no
I’m not going to do the whole ring ceremony that’s another thing will ring ceremony just kind of Dino.

Kurt:
[33:21] Yeah.

Geoff:
[33:23] Which would be good cuz most I’ve been to her weird it’s just a strain.

Kurt:
[33:26] Yeah yeah we’re at wonder. I just am fascinated with our culture but
play GIF with people do a civil ceremony it might be assumed that the
being sealed later right so I can see many individuals sort of approach those newlywed saying oh so you being sealed this week or next week and maybe they’re not in this or like we’re before you
this new or they’re not being there might be married married civilly so are there must be something going on I’m not going to ask about it so maybe there’s some awkward conversation.

Geoff:
[33:56] It goes back to this bigger issue the church that I think,
under specially under the Nelson Administration where I think we’re sort of trying to address more which is like judging people making assumptions and just support people I love them and let them live their lives and know that we’re all figuring it,
out,
and I think it’s great I have plenty of friends who been in situations where it’s been hurtful for their families not to be able to be part of their then what is there civil and Temple wedding and,
I think where it’s available it’s still a great convenience like if I were getting married today I would still prefer to do it all in one Fell Swoop you know and let that just be the thing that’s for me,
I’m not I’m not everybody,
it’s cool change another thing that quietly came out after the big info drop about the ceiling Chain by the way happened on a Monday the church has been doing Friday and feel drops lately so I thought it was interesting at the temples are closed on Mondays,
maybe that’s why they didn’t they also told us that all returned missionaries by the way friends noticed the phrasing there it is returned,
missionaries they’re not called returned missionaries you’re not a return missionary I know it’s cuz I’m a copy editor and stuff but.

Kurt:
[35:09] This is this is such a Jeff issue it’s nobody else’s even thought of.

Geoff:
[35:13] I have every time I see it I think you’re like a dumb Utah that’s what I think when I see your return.

Kurt:
[35:19] What whoa whoa.

Geoff:
[35:21] I’m not saying all you tons are dumb but I’m saying all dumb people are you times.

Kurt:
[35:25] Oh my goodness I’ve had I’m taking off my Mike I’m leaving I’m at.

Geoff:
[35:30] Well I’m doing the songs and Castor so I got the whole thing anyway.

Kurt:
[35:33] You got me.

Geoff:
[35:36] But you were all returned missionaries are now pre-approved to be in BYU pathway worldwide’s pathwayconnect,
no I don’t know if this pathwayconnect differ from Pathways itself I’ve never done the program but I don’t know the ins and outs of it,
essential this is saying hey if you’re going to Mission the church no matter what no matter what globally the church is going to open the door for you to obtain higher education,
.

Kurt:
[36:02] Assume the sale.

Geoff:
[36:03] .
and that’s as Pathways been such a cool program in general really extending educational opportunities too many folks incidentally I’ve talked to some people on the inside who said that while Pathways has been,
surging and growing the Perpetual education fund has been sort of tanking and is not really being managed very well at the same so I don’t know if there’s a correlation causation or not,
but it’s great to Pathways being successful and it’s a pathway connect is a one-year program okay so it’s not the full thing it’s a one-year program,
designed to help students learn to succeed at University studies and I prepare them to continue on but even that’s huge I mean I think I’m mission,
ideally if you do it right quote on quote can help prepare you for some of the rigors of college or work life whatever it may be whatever you choose to do but then neither got this great extra opportunity,
to where they need to be to continue on and get it the Lord wants us to obtain an education and learn things and apply that and growth.

Kurt:
[37:02] Yeah I think those transitions in Life or are crucial and it’s cool to see them Implement something like this that will hopefully smooth at Landing for them where we going next gen.

Geoff:
[37:15] Return man I’m on my wife my wife is what sapping me from the plane so you just do something right now.

Kurt:
[37:20] Hey she should have that on airplane mode the saying no the other side.

Geoff:
[37:26] Don’t know Southwest totally free let’s use WhatsApp or iMessage if you have a knife.

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Kurt:
[37:41] So these other articles really stand out to me,
the other side of the other side of Heaven The Other Side of Heaven 2 is rated PG-13.

Geoff:
[37:53] You are a resident you are the resident.

Kurt:
[37:53] You go do it you’re a sinner.

Geoff:
[37:55] R rated movie expert so tell us what what is this.

Kurt:
[37:57] I am I have been justifying rated R movies since I wrote that article which I was doing exactly the opposite in that article so when was that Jeff 2015 maybe I wrote this article called,
stop it with a Rated-R thing and it seems like every year there’s a movie that sort of this is the movie everybody wants to justify.

Geoff:
[38:18] You originally wrote it on November 7th 2016.

Kurt:
[38:22] And it went is a steal your most popular.

Geoff:
[38:25] I don’t know if it’s our all-time most popular one ironically or probably our most beautiful is one that said that,
I just like 5 years ago multiple independent sources tipped us off that,
in the in the countries that do temple sealings in civil ceremonies concurrently
that the church was going to abandon that policy and stop letting them happen at the same time just kind of came out this week I wanted that the precursor to that actually happening the Assumption was that was gay marriage on the horizon the church would stop being able to do them together,
that’s what they were going to stop doing it anyway it didn’t wind up happening but that went gangbusters in crazy but because it is false I actually put a redirect if you can’t even read that article on our website anymore.

Kurt:
[39:10] So
right well so anyways the point being that I don’t mind my thesis in that was that never has the prophet or anybody directly said,
we do not watch rated R movies present Vincent alluded to it and even Elder Robbins talk.

Geoff:
[39:28] Didn’t President Kimball actually drop that one specifically.

Kurt:
[39:32] You show me the reference Jeff.

Geoff:
[39:34] Okay you can talk in the morning.

Kurt:
[39:36] Anyways so into my argument was
let’s not use some secular organization the Motion Picture Association or whatever that gives these ratings and it’s which is a US organization that actually approached media with a thoughtful,
approach of actually looking at the reviews and looking at content warnings and then make a decision whether to see it rather than just saying all it’s PG-13 some,
some liberal in Hollywood.

Geoff:
[40:05] President Benson did say it once in general conference he’s the only one that mentioned him he said don’t say it. He said a lot of stuff but he said he said don’t see R-rated movies or vulgar videos or participate in any entertainment it is a mortal sin.

Kurt:
[40:19] Then you check out the Elder Robbins talk he gave BYU which is helpful with it you know we don’t set limits to these anyway the point being is that that,
other side to have his PG-13 so definitely be sure no actually he doesn’t want to see this I know the director cuz I’m famous Jeff and,
and he does Great Stuff he’s a great director and I’m actually going to have him on my.

Geoff:
[40:42] Now do you think the original was PG it on there there was storms in the something.

Kurt:
[40:46] Heather is a nudity Jeff.

Geoff:
[40:47] Symptomatic elements I’m curious what will make this one what why will this one be paid user.

Kurt:
[40:53] Probably the f-bombs.

Geoff:
[40:54] Yeah drug use.

Kurt:
[40:56] The date maybe somebody Burns an American flag.

Geoff:
[41:00] Bar Baton Rouge with joking about it if he’s going to turn around and just be like can you play pin call me pokey,
but I do wonder I’m not in Utah,
obviously I think most Latter Day Saints are pretty okay with PG-13 and general that’s that’s a sweet spot for most filmmakers for Blockbusters and such like that but do we worry that for family friendly content something like The Other Side of Heaven
it should be a benign uplifting film do we worry the parents are going to say
what was the little more intense and the PG thing I’m going to hold off because they’re going to hurt the the exposure of the Box up.

Kurt:
[41:38] I know the director it was talking somewhere and he said you know he wants to make movies that not that the whole nation sees not 11 people in Provo or something like that so I would imagine if you make a religious-based movie
and give the PG rating like I think you might lose some of that other.

Geoff:
[41:57] Point because The Passion of the Christ is rated R as the highest-grossing religious film ever made.

Kurt:
[42:01] Okay touche Jeff.

Geoff:
[42:04] So now that we mention it they should make that Book of Mormon movie true to the source material never.

Kurt:
[42:11] This is the problem with me coming out of this podcast has I don’t have time to think of all Angels Jeff but you always.

Geoff:
[42:18] No no no it’s cuz I nerd out about like movie industry stuff it’s not even your fault it’s cuz I geek out about it which incidentally I saw him game over the weekend have you seen it yet.

Kurt:
[42:30] Oh yes let’s do a spoiler segment.

Geoff:
[42:33] Do you want to do a quick one it’s more minute we’re at 40 minutes in right now let’s do a quick One spoilers for the next I’m going to do a hard cut off at like,
are the 45 Topps we’ll see because anyway and the spoiler ban was lifted officially on Monday by the russos so what,
what did yeah they actually said like four major public it for major Publications except the said guys can you please I’d like a moratorium on Major Spoilers for at least two weekends work so people who want to see it can see it and then after that if you want to write your think pieces that are more
Hobbit end of the trailer for spider the next Spider-Man movie came out which on Monday,
which directly references all sorts of things to happen so yes how did you like and give it time for the Latter Day Saint film Corner we speak about a 3-hour movie with robots and villain.

Kurt:
[43:17] Well they’re just so many parallels to you know pioneers and then crossing the plains now.

Geoff:
[43:24] Yes all the singing as they walk.

Kurt:
[43:27] I loved it I appreciate
I I know I can go to the movies in a big like comic book or Marvel guy I mean I appreciate him for what they are but I sometimes it’s been so many movies like I went to this end game without seeing black panther or Captain Marvel I did see,
black panther send play same game and it’s just I don’t know sometimes you’re all these details in the Easter eggs in the end you’re just.

Geoff:
[43:49] Black panther was barely at he was barely and who’s probably in Infinity War more than he was even in any game and then gave you just kind of showed up then he grabbed their little Gauntlet it’s going to run around for a little bit and now is this.

Kurt:
[44:00] And let the only part I I did a hard I roll okay here’s the thing,
I there needs I appreciate female superheroes for
the sake of my 7 year old has superheroes to get excited about and see strength and power of women but to have this over for Deuce like a nod to let’s go get them female Avengers member that part.

Geoff:
[44:25] Yeah but they kind of that Infinity War 2 yeah over there we’ll find Santos is little female Lackey and who’s all the women who fought her there but I was even more over-the-top this time yes.

Kurt:
[44:36] I mean Just Like Glue them in the the script in in the dialogue in the Venture but let’s.

Geoff:
[44:41] Are you one of those trolls you’re one of those online trolls about Captain Marvel aren’t you that’s why you haven’t seen it you want to be so angry.

Kurt:
[44:47] Yeah oh yeah I’m not seen I’m not see no movie about a girl no of course not GIF I’m going to see it but it’s still in the theaters and.

Geoff:
[44:54] I was bummed out that that they killed off Scarlett Johansson not just that they killed her off but because,
I don’t know if they were trying to go for some kind of parallel stuff with the with infinity War but is a country like the same sequence right I mean eventually she goes
they show her body down at the bottom of the thing the clouds open up to give the ring on the show Hawkeye and says Thanos it was like they kind of just copy that I don’t know if it’s supposed to be a mirroring or not,
but I thought I’d be more profound of course they couldn’t like kill Hawkeye when you know his family going to come back by the end and then he’s gone but that would have been potent.

Kurt:
[45:29] I just and I really appreciated like the heart that was in this movie like that is I think very difficult to do but then there’s there’s some sniffles in my Teeter.

Geoff:
[45:39] They let the characters breathe I mean in a good way I’d follow Infinity war was like non-stop I member watching it for 2 and 1/2 hours now
privet on the edge of my seat just going like my heart was thumping the whole film cuz it just blew a propulsive and game
took its time like letting them grieve dealing with all the Fallout of stuff and there but I appreciate it and I’d like to see it again but I know I’ll never find the time I only got away with it this time with my wife is out of town so I can go out with the boys on Friday night.
so it was good I didn’t think they’d kill off.

Kurt:
[46:11] We pass our cutoff.

Geoff:
[46:12] Not yet I didn’t think they kill off Tony Stark.

Kurt:
[46:16] I know right but that’s like.

Geoff:
[46:17] Did you see the Pat the youth pastor who spoil the movie I love the stuff online he’s trying to make you trying to make some point and this we should talk about your leading Saints group because you stole his post about that the other day too so,
so this is just like talking about like the world is sounds like a CN games like a Tony Stark is dead and all the kids start screaming like.

Kurt:
[46:38] I didn’t somebody and we had someone confirm this in our.

Geoff:
[46:43] Testimony meeting.

Kurt:
[46:44] In testimony mean this older lady stands up and and just leads off with injured Ender’s Game or end Andrews game that’s another book The End Game,
a spoilers you know right in Sacramento at I mean one.

Geoff:
[46:58] What was our do we ever I never saw in the thread what her point.

Kurt:
[47:02] No because I don’t think anybody wants to spoil it for the rest of the internet so hopefully in that.

Geoff:
[47:06] But the spoiler ban has been lifted it’s time to spoil.

Kurt:
[47:09] That’s right but she made like a true attempt at creating a parallel from Avengers to like.

Geoff:
[47:18] I love it when people try really hard to like work pop culture in the testimony meeting and sometimes it makes sense but I love it when it doesn’t and you can see someone just really really wanted to talk about their pop culture things they thought they could find some kind of spiritual I wasn’t
conference with Elder Robert C Wood of formerly the 70 who,
it’s a longer tail but he was something of a celebrity of ours in our mission we made up like characters for the general authorities and decided he was our favorite we even made shirts with his picture on them but anyway so I was very excited when he was speaking my home steak and,
and he actually he quotes like Dumbledore it was awesome know they yeah man.

Kurt:
[47:58] And he’s like Yoda once said in the know.

Geoff:
[48:01] Think I think I’m going to be one of the possible wants drop some kind of Harry Potter or Star Wars reference or something it’s good to remember that there are people too.

Kurt:
[48:09] Right they go to move.

Geoff:
[48:10] All right we’re lifting the spoiler alert even though there’s no way through to listen to it and know at this point but it was his only will pause for 2 seconds and if you look at the way file,
OK everybody other news real quick and we’ll wrap it up.

Kurt:
[48:26] Hulu.

Geoff:
[48:28] Some people I look at the sound waves if you’re screaming on the website,
so I love this this came out last week and I’m sad that it’s already left us in the Gospel Library app and apparently only on iOS I don’t think I’ve ever worked on Android as far as I knew I could tell from anybody,
you can go in and do what is basically a version of the Konami Code which if you ever played Contra is a kid on Nintendo up up down down left right left right b a start the whole thing,
they did the same thing on a certain screen if you swipe up do the same kind of pushing up and down on your screen it would then let you choose for it would then change your icon,
of six different choices of Icon it would work your way through I’m one of them made him gold Merona I like all gold with the best one by far with the Lego Moroni I which was amazing,
this is just an Easter egg that some developers worked in there I guarantee not telling any of the powers-that-be that this was.

Kurt:
[49:21] You think they went rogue Jeff you think this was especially now they pulled.

Geoff:
[49:25] Yeah considering within like a day of the story dropping,
people were coming to the no longer work and the app isn’t updated to another version I’m almost 100% certain somebody worked it in there and then powers that be caught through can’t make Merona into it out of a Lego update this app young man.

Kurt:
[49:44] Which is too bad cuz I think it’s sort of fun right I mean I think most people think it’s fun and in.

Geoff:
[49:51] I think it’s awesome I think it’s just like a fuss is a funny old thing that I wish I could have a Lego Moroni on my phone Android.

Kurt:
[49:56] What what other aspects of our church experience would you wish someone would insert a funny little thing like it would if we had an option of like Temple recommend design are you.

Geoff:
[50:04] I was going to say the endowment in general could use more comedy.

Kurt:
[50:09] Snapchat,
you take it too far you did too fast.

Geoff:
[50:16] Are you done with the old movie sometimes it was funny for reasons the intestinal reasons okay what can we do,
did you once I mean all the apps are great I think it’s fun to get the FM group app to control the FM group that’s a good time for me but is looking for is the equivalent of ding dong ditching really.

Kurt:
[50:31] Can anybody get that app.

Geoff:
[50:34] Anybody can download the FM group app as far as I’m aware.

Kurt:
[50:36] And like submit issues with the bill.

Geoff:
[50:38] Yeah where you can actually do is if you look around like I think in the Gospel Library app any of the churches apps you dig around in your settings you’ll find one that says basically other related apps
I don’t actually have links to download all any of the other apps that church actually creates we don’t have to fish around your app store you can find out every single one of them,
so I wish the stuck it was a funny thing and we all need.

Kurt:
[51:00] I know we want it back for starting a petition bring the Lego Man Lego mermaid.

Geoff:
[51:07] Is there anything else you want to hit up on here Kurt this week.

Kurt:
[51:11] I want to plug your awesome motherhood series that’s going on by people need to check that out I listen to the first one and it’s very end in PRS and you know how I feel,
in a good way and a good way and very well organized thought out.

Geoff:
[51:28] I’ll pick this one so just so Josie leave one of our contributors whose base in Australia,
decided to do two or three part series on motherhood this is sort extra twin like Republican them on Sundays and actually should be up this coming Sunday
are too and she’s exploring motherhood what it means the first episode of sort of about what defines being a mother and she’s interviewing women from around the world these the first episode of interviews with sisters from Kenya and Taiwan
they talked about some really real life experiences
how it’s all very positive and like you said it is I guess you could say NPR ask with the way we have segments and that’s really good it’s something we’re doing we haven’t tried something like this before work so if a little mini series so
keep an eye on it it’s in the same feed so,
before this episode 420 to 421 right beneath it is part 1 of this series thank you for the plug their check that out front,
otherwise you know keep an eye out I think we’ll have another edition of Latter-day Saints video bolts up on Friday I hope so.

Kurt:
[52:28] What’s it going to be this way.

Geoff:
[52:29] I’m not going I’m not going to reveal but I love the last one because it was Greater Love,
which is a film I genuinely appreciate if you don’t remember that one that’s when the girl find out her brother just has to like give blood for her brother or something like that at all. It’s just giving blood,
but she thinks she’s going to die,
but giving her blood to her brother can live and no one tells her otherwise so this whole time I almost get like emotionally been telling a story like that cuz your sweet little girl genuinely thinks that she’s going to give up her life so her brother can live,
hits from the 80s it’s a great it’s a classic good church film so the next time you’ll have to wait and see.

Kurt:
[53:04] Geoff I sent you a link of another podcast that did four part series about Mormon films did you listen to that much.

Geoff:
[53:12] I don’t know what you’re talk.

Kurt:
[53:14] Okay we won’t talk about it I think.

Geoff:
[53:16] Did you send it to me while I was in California yeah okay although out back so I can try to find it but I.

Kurt:
[53:22] I’ll just mention it’s the podcast is stranger Ville I don’t listen much of this.

Geoff:
[53:26] Oh yes okay I remember I saw it.

Kurt:
[53:29] And the guy that did it he’s actually he’s a former member of the church was very respectful of the Church of General I mean it’s not like it hit Peace by any means but he just goes back and watching some of these films that he saw as young Seminary Student that from the from the 80s in such that
he washed in the 90s or early 2000s and he just talks about him like some you know he’s not had this whole episode on the phone call which is.

Geoff:
[53:52] Which which we had we had that in one of our 50 video about episodes build the phone calls. I love the phone call the phone call them was very was very interesting because the director of it actually reached out to Jared who writes these articles,
I like told him some more behind-the-scenes stuff of how it was made and I’ll talk about how the lead Mark McClure the guy who stars in it found out who’s going to be in Back to the Future while they were making it like cuz if he plays Marty McFly’s older brother.

Kurt:
[54:16] Yeah brother.

Geoff:
[54:19] The one day if we want to get the job at the office still for some reason was that the parents in the better 1985 whatever.

Kurt:
[54:25] You’ve got an interview that guy Jeff the director of.

Geoff:
[54:27] He don’t think he’s out there I should say yeah man.

Kurt:
[54:32] She goes to the type of people I can never justify interviewing up for my podcast but you yeah this is this week.

Geoff:
[54:37] Figures and esoteric figures and pop culture is how we well everybody,
it’s been a great weekend Morning News be back here this week. This Sunday I’ll get more motherhood stuff in sometime next week we will record once more to talk about the issues facing all of you as Latter-Day Saints I like that Kirk Franklin my dear friend,
do I only met once in person and we had Froyo and my son tried to run behind the counter at Yogurtland,
and do things and it was wonderful and Kurt I love you like a brother brother I love you like,
I’ll give you.

Kurt:
[55:15] Yeah well you definitely don’t love me as much as Bruce being a but nonetheless.

Geoff:
[55:19] Have you seen that man oh my goodness he’s like he’s like the Dallin H Oaks with more height is amazing.

Kurt:
[55:24] Play courage all people listening here that you can also find my podcast leading Saints on the same place you’re listening to this one and that check out the Elder Callister interview and know that I’m.

Geoff:
[55:37] The student has become the teacher everyone Kurt definitely out downloads us at this point so make sure to go to the I’m pretty I’m pretty sure you.

Kurt:
[55:44] Do I really okay I can I can retire now I can retire.

Geoff:
[55:48] I think you passed out a long time ago,
doing great but if you haven’t subscribe to our show you can do it an iTunes or or on Android or
I love you stream from the browser which is fine to however you get your podcast we do exist on those channels even Spotify so please take the time to do that and if you’ve never written a review on iTunes
I encourage you to do so it’s a great way for other people to find out the show exists and grow the family and the last plug I will give you a patreon.com / this week in Mormons wear if you dear listener would pledge a dollar amount it keep the lights on the server’s flowing
and the computers humming and whatever other verbs I can throw at you thanks very much for listening always ask you to take the time to do self I am Jeff,
be well be holy and be.