Stop whatever you are doing and listen to this podcast. Why? WHY?! Because Kurt Francom of Leading Saints is here to discuss the news with the one, the only, G-Off. It’s going to be lit, as the youths might say.

Plenty of news this week pertaining to youth. For starters, Especially for Youth, or EFY, is basically on the outs. Gone will be the annual hajj to Provo to spend a week basking in the glory of the 801, to be replaced by a biennial For the Strength of Youth, or FSY, program. FSY will be more local and run by young single adults. The Church hasn’t released tons of other details, but here we are. At least this will stop people from trekking every other year.

In other youth news, the Church continues its slow tease of upcoming changes to the children and youth programs. But wait! There’s a name – Children and Youth. Err, so there’s that. We’re still waiting until September 29 to find out what all of this will be about, but now we at least know that the programs will seem to let youth make their own goals as opposed to adhering to a specific program or predetermined goal set. We are living in the correlated era of less correlation.

President Russell M. Nelson gave a speech at the NAACP’s annual convention this week, and his remarks were received warmly by those in attendance and across the interwebs. However, many still wish for a full repudiation of the Church’s past racist policies. Don’t hold your breath for that. Still, that desire was once realized many years ago, when some members, including a Seventy, actually worked on an apology for previous policies.

Kurt has a brilliant, if out there, idea for how to bring temple work to others. You have to hear this!

You know how people want to storm Area 51 and see what the government does with 1 million folks overrunning a top secret installation? Well, some Utah folk want to do the same – to the Church’s famed granite mountain vault that holds genealogical records. And there are no guards!

Layton, Utah no longer has to wonder where its temple will be located. Now it knows. IT KNOWS.

Apparently you can’t sue someone over injuries sustained during church basketball, per the Utah Supreme Court. Utah is stupid.

President M. Russell Ballard dedicated a new children’s memorial at This Is the Place park in Utah, recognizing the over 600 children that died en route to the Salt Lake Valley. Church leaders also used the opportunity to remind the public that we, as Latter-day Saints, believe in being pluralistic and inviting immigrants into our communities.

Transcript

Geoff:
[0:19] Hey hey everyone is in the house this week in Mormons is here once more to bring you everything related to as my co-host with solely refer to them Latter Day Saints because he is more righteous than I hello Kurt.

Kurt:
[0:35] Hey Geoff thanks for having me back on you know you know the part is a podcast I hate I hate the most is the start I always say something stupid or I,
I need like a Runway I need a Runway I’ve done like / 320 or so podcast episodes of my own podcast and I still need a Runway so now I’m good.

Geoff:
[0:56] When are you due to do to find your.
I mean most of your shows on leading Saints start with a bit of a plug for something coming up with your pretty piano music Let it fades down and then you say hey it’s me car with the leading Saints podcast… He’s doing it.

Kurt:
[1:11] That’s right that’s my advertisements Geoff that’s is pre-recorded and we just use it over and over but then when I come on I I fumble I guess it’s my only when I’m sitting in front of the person I’m interviewing where I say like hey here we are,
assisting in this place.

Geoff:
[1:27] I like Helen edited there you’ll sit down and be like so I’m here with the Matthew Matt Matthew what do you want to go by anyway it’s like you just walked into their house and hit record and said hey so.

Kurt:
[1:38] I try and keep it real what I do is I ring the doorbell and I hit record and then we go.

Geoff:
[1:43] How much time do you actually spend with your subjects when you especially when you do if they usually do like house visits sometimes you think I’m lying but how much time do you.

Kurt:
[1:54] It is for a half and half so I usually scheduled for an hour interview I’ll schedule 90 minutes right so we have some faysal run into some tech issues or specially if we do it remotely that there’s always something that comes up right and so.

Geoff:
[2:08] I know that pain yes.

Kurt:
[2:10] Yes yes yes you do so yeah nothing I,
and I hate editing right and I try and be concise and I feel like my interviewing skills have improved over time to where there’s not much I would edit out anyways and so you know there’s maybe one or two at its every,
episode that I snap out but you do not Geoff I noticed that you just you just roll with it regardless if the person is like.

Geoff:
[2:33] That’s not true that’s not true.

Kurt:
[2:36] I mean you have an additive really sent out has been your co-host where that was a weekly weekly occurrence.

Geoff:
[2:42] Well I mean sometimes I have to hold on its back up so what are you trying to say like when I have other people on our guests they’re saying it’s evident that I edit nothing.

Kurt:
[2:52] I don’t know I just saying like you keep it real like will someone to look like you no fumble or whatever and and you’ll roll with it I think it’s fine it doesn’t take away or make you sound like any less.

Geoff:
[3:02] I mean there’s no way I could be less professional there is a huge case to be made for editing because if you have is Superfluous material,
that’s not good for an audience not engaging or it which happens all the time and interviews coming up so you are correct I don’t do a ton of editing for twin mostly because I’m don’t have time to paint to go through it and do it,
but,
especially with interviews and things like that I’m usually taking notes while we’re recording and if there’s nothing that comes up that I think is if we I put a little time marker on down to remove my myself to go look for something I mean,
I’m not one of the painstaking people who edits out people’s arms and stuff like that I figure.

Kurt:
[3:47] Oh yeah I think that’s ridiculous.

Geoff:
[3:48] If you’re enough of a fool to say you deserve to be exploited and shown and made fun of.

Kurt:
[3:53] Yes so I was coming to you before I hit record that you’re you’re episode about sex and you did you did well.

Geoff:
[4:03] It isn’t sex isn’t sex great who doesn’t love it.

Kurt:
[4:06] I mean it is it is a thing that keeps this world going around isn’t it.

Geoff:
[4:12] All the kids today I love you.

Kurt:
[4:14] Are you nervous to do that episode at all or I mean.

Geoff:
[4:18] Didn’t make me nervous I didn’t just cuz of the subject matter.

Kurt:
[4:22] Yeah I mean where you like what a watching what you were saying or how you were saying things as you Wintour.

Geoff:
[4:27] I mean I wouldn’t say it would be as as completely Frank of a conversation as one might have with one spouse I would assume can be sometimes a lot more direct but I didn’t feel like anything was really out of balance during that one I mean,
there there might have been some other Curiosities that were in my mind but I would tell myself I would send her myself and not ask it not because I thought I was too graphic with maybe just unnecessary like I just said this this isn’t going to,
tell us another story that matters from over talking about so I don’t need to,
get into it so not really I thought it was fine I don’t know there’s nothing to be nervous about having sex is a natural part of who we are and we’re supposed to embrace it in the proper situation and,
that’s fine and it’s to your own detriment if you choose not to do that when you are given rain to rain to do so.

Kurt:
[5:18] That’s right rain any other guests on deck that you have coming up for your interview segments.

Geoff:
[5:22] There’s a couple I don’t I don’t I don’t want to name names we’ve got a couple of things and.

Kurt:
[5:26] I’ll give us a teaser a little bit of a.

Geoff:
[5:28] I I can’t because nothing is locked out and I would hate to give it to you then have it fall through and everyone say what happened to that guest.

Kurt:
[5:35] We all know that you have your local area presidency line.

Geoff:
[5:38] I will I will say this I am hoping and not sure how long it might actually be not so maybe later at the end of summer,
depending on what time you sort out I’m hoping to do a podcast circling around certain actors during a very,
I will call it a tumultuous an interesting time in church history namely the 1960s,
and I want to speak to some academics about some of that so if you want to get all wonky and pretentious folks keep it tuned to this channel because it’s going to get real going to get lit.

Kurt:
[6:12] Said like it like in a context of Life church history in the 60s.

Geoff:
[6:15] Church history politics correlation interviewing price the author of Mormonism.

Kurt:
[6:26] Prince, Geoff, Gregory Prince.

Geoff:
[6:27] Prince sorry sorry I was surprised Gregory Prince another.

Kurt:
[6:32] I have interviewed him.

Geoff:
[6:33] Lime curd I’ve interviewed everyone so.

Kurt:
[6:35] That’s right and he’s just down the street from you.

Geoff:
[6:38] I think it was a Maryland deck.

Kurt:
[6:40] Write it in Utah terms that’s just down the street from you so.

Geoff:
[6:43] Sure right now I’m hoping the others there’s been some other other pieces of late so I’m hoping to talk a little bit more about some of that are especially president Benson who I think is a very interesting character.

Kurt:
[6:54] Oh is that book we talked about.

Geoff:
[6:56] During that time there is that book right these are if you haven’t seen this book there’s a book called Thunder from the right.

Kurt:
[7:04] Did you read it.

Geoff:
[7:06] I’ve been reading it.

Kurt:
[7:08] Is it like is it a good read like princess book.

Geoff:
[7:11] It’s been I think I think it’s a good book it’s a series of essays so some of it could be repetitive because it’s not it’s not designed to be like a big narrative like something like David O McKay and the rise of modern Mormonism so you get a little bit of a repetition,
and some of the essays on some facts and just things are quotes even that might have been pulled from Diaries and stuff but half the books are deals with Ezra Taft Benson the politician more or less in The Other Half deals with Ezra Taft Benson the spiritual leader.

Kurt:
[7:42] You don’t did you love the the David O McKay book as much as as much as I did like I absolutely love that.

Geoff:
[7:48] I thought that book is my life said it here before I mean I think that book is a must-read for any Latter-Day Saints I believe it’s one of the most important books you can read for your own well-being is a Latter-Day Saint.

Kurt:
[8:01] And it’s and it’s so thick and long and but every I just love the fact that there was so much.

Geoff:
[8:07] I mean bless.

Kurt:
[8:08] To to take in.

Geoff:
[8:09] President McKay for having a good journal and bless his secretary for having an incredible journal and we would not have it without any of that and those
those materials have been huge for Scholars for years who try to piece together that
. of church history which I’m really starting to fall in love with I think it’s perhaps the other than like immediate restoration era type stuff perhaps the most interesting,
part of church history Isaac definitely the most interesting part of 20th century church history when the church basically most of the McKay are up an especially the sixties when the church is facing down so much cultural shift,
and anti-communist fervor and all this stuff and it’s a really interesting. In church history and.

Kurt:
[8:50] You know I would love it Geoff that you’re just an idea I’ll throw it out Hatchet in this is a selfish idea because I don’t know if I would make for a good podcast but I would love to,
love to be a part of it but if you took that instead of like we read one chapter each chapter in and do an episode all around like understanding and creating some dialog around each chapter would be fast.

Geoff:
[9:15] You want itself for example number to your essays donut chapters so.

Kurt:
[9:19] No I’m saying in the David O McKay book.

Geoff:
[9:21] Oh they go cuz I was like if it’s the Benson book then you’d be doing a chibi doing a chapter on Benson’s ill-fated presidential campaign.
Which is really funny cuz he was going to run with Strom Thurmond everyone fanatical hardrider Ezra Taft Benson with noted racist Strom Thurmond going for the Oval Office,
best for stomach a book that would actually give fast money podcast in general just just a whole podcast devoted to that.

Kurt:
[9:49] Each chapter you can find like certain like quotes or like experiences or you just like wide like I remember in that book when I read about the temple boat you know that they consider buying a cruise liner.

Geoff:
[9:58] Yeah oh yes the temple built amazing.

Kurt:
[10:01] And I was just like like this was a thing like this conversation actually happened because it’s incredible.

Geoff:
[10:06] The temple bell with a great idea and it makes me sad that it will never come to fruition at this point because we’re being awesome and building tons of temples around the world but we will never.

Kurt:
[10:15] We’re doing it the right way.

Geoff:
[10:16] Have to do the boat would have been the right way except for people who lived inland but.

Kurt:
[10:21] Except we start when we start colonizing Mars, Geoff, we can have a temple.

Geoff:
[10:26] Here’s the thing if the temple boat,
Kurt what could it could be both a riverrink vessel and a seagoing ocean faring vessel that would be something that you could go like imagine if it would just sale up the amazon or sale of the Congo
or sail up the st. Lawrence River.

Kurt:
[10:47] Here’s my prediction in regards to Temples Geoff is bit and then you can all come back cuz I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this on your butt,
the someday virtual reality will become so Advanced that we will begin to have parts of our local chap chapels that are instant in a sense of the temple where you will enter in there,
enter the methods of virtual reality you will be able to participate in ordinances that is crazy because these are these are sacred acts that must be done in the flesh and in person but we’ve had,
changes in this church where people would have said they’re crazy and they still happen right so that is my prediction take-it-or-leave-it Geoff.

Geoff:
[11:29] Okay but I’m curious about the mechanics of this so when you say virtual reality Temple do you actually mean that there’s one room inside of Chapel that is like set apart for a few no less than sand,
dedicated for temple work and it’s restricted accordingly and then what people you still wear your temple clothes in and put on like an Oculus Rift kind of thing and then.

Kurt:
[11:49] Note so you would go there right in whatever maybe you you would want to go in a shirt and tie or dress or whatever you.

Geoff:
[11:56] But are you like wearing goggles and doing VR Temple work okay.

Kurt:
[11:59] Yeah right and you would not necessarily physically touch anything and we’re putting up a virtual reality technology we so Advanced that it will be as if you are any.

Geoff:
[12:10] I see what you’re basically going after the Holodeck from Star Trek that’s what you’re looking for right here.

Kurt:
[12:15] Alright tricky I don’t know what you’re talk.

Geoff:
[12:16] The Holodeck from Star Trek the Next Generation was a room that could simulate a real environment without wearing gear they would be in it and they could do whatever they wanted so you want to be in a.

Kurt:
[12:24] Yes exactly.

Geoff:
[12:27] Did you watch the most recent Spider-Man movie is this where you’re getting these ideas from.

Kurt:
[12:31] You know I ain’t no joke I actually saw that last.

Geoff:
[12:34] I saw it last night too.

Kurt:
[12:35] You didn’t have to do is a spoiler section here but I think we’re out of the spoilers on with that but nonetheless yeah exactly that,
that you will feel so much that you are there that you won’t need any additional and even those I mean think of it if you are curved legic like you will be feel like you are there walking in participating like.

Geoff:
[13:00] I feel like VR technology so cuz you read you want basically an entire simulated environment with no goggles or apparatus which probably can be done at some point in the future but,
the question is how long would it take one to really develop that technology in Earnest anyway cuz it doesn’t exist right now and after that how long would it take for it to scale appropriately so that it would be cost-effective for the church to implement it,
throughout the building and then on top of that I’m just going to assume that this would involve,
a lot of bandwidth and we all know what the church is network is like then so this would involve the church and Vesta.

Kurt:
[13:37] I would hope I would hope they would update upgrade their router by the time.

Geoff:
[13:41] Was not just a router I mean I was actually I was talking to a guy in my building our Wi-Fi went down in one of the guys in my ward is sort of the de facto,
steak Tech Guy
and he was using little closet fixing it messing with the switch BBQ have a server room in my building now and he’s just sitting there messing around with it doing his thing and I’m talking about speed and he’s like yeah he’s like I convinced him to bump us up by 10 megabits a month
we’re ladies like we’re the lucky ones who died we get 30 we got 30 down.

Kurt:
[14:08] Nice.

Geoff:
[14:10] What’s expensive.

Kurt:
[14:11] Even if it is even if it does require goggles or equipment like I think it can be done and I don’t know but maybe we’ll just get to a point where there’s we’ve grown so much the temples will be so upset accessible to so many members that we won’t need a butt.

Geoff:
[14:25] It’s an interesting it is a very interesting idea.

Kurt:
[14:28] I’m going to say by 2040.

Geoff:
[14:30] What I think will come sooner much less related I am hoping that at some point that I don’t think I have a problem with this that they put your temple recommend information with your tools app.

Kurt:
[14:43] Yeah I would guess that would come before virtual real.

Geoff:
[14:47] Think about how effective that would be I mean there be some safeguards you got to make sure it’s legit I would I think you have to opt-in for facial scanning like I think that would have to be a requirement but you have to agree to put your photo on your profile.
And have it like corroborated by a corker you know somebody somebody so that whatever picture of you on your tools account is confirmed to be you right and then you just go and,
I don’t even have an issue if they scan my toy,
my face pops up when they scan it I don’t care about that level of secured that’s fine with me we need to go biometric I need a fingerprint report to or anything that’s okay.

Kurt:
[15:20] But why is a photo necessary when our current Temple recommends.

Geoff:
[15:24] For better security do you want more jabronies going in there filming the session.

Kurt:
[15:28] So you’re not saying you’re saying it would be better than our better security than now.

Geoff:
[15:31] I guess you I guess I think of it yeah I guess I guess it’s going to be much different right now if all you had was the barcode,
it would have been even if you were to lose your phone if it’s not really in the or get hacked it’s no different than like just losing your recommended letting it go astray
somewhere but I mean we can save some watch on paper IO be so much more it would be so much easier for clerks and everyone else who’s managing recommends to do it you can get notifications of Saved by the buyer recommends running out is expiring next month
you can even flash it on the app when you look at it to remind you of I guarantee this out of this already but I’m a Genie.

Kurt:
[16:07] I would love to hear I would love to hear this story and I’m sure it’s happened multiple times where
the guy finds a wallet there some individual finds a wallet with a temple recommend and maybe they’re familiar enough to know what it is and I think now is my chance and here they go they walk into Temple and maybe they get through like how far would they get and I don’t think they get very far.

Geoff:
[16:27] It would depend on their love,
if they knew to dress up and just sort of be cool I think you can get pretty far I agree that be a little lost you I think of you walked in and you’re like so it’s been awhile like what do I do.

Kurt:
[16:42] Yeah it would be interesting and I’m sure that’s happened.

Geoff:
[16:49] I want I mean an obviously.

Kurt:
[16:50] There we want the story.

Geoff:
[16:52] And even outside of that they’re obviously members,
Temple recommend holding people who have willingly snuck into the building’s to documents the ritual to take place there in for whatever reason but that’s their own deal speaking up temples,
you’re going to be excited about this because you live in Utah and you people can’t get enough of a good thing they did announce the location of the Layton Utah temple I said that pronunciate that correctly Layton.

Kurt:
[17:22] Note the TV the t is actually silent Geoff here in Utah we say Layton Layton.

Geoff:
[17:26] Lynn Layton Layton site.

Kurt:
[17:29] Pizza and no that’s not true but you can totally tell when somebody is making extra effort to save it to you because we say Layton and Hunter and you know that that type of thing but I try and see.

Geoff:
[17:40] This is the hard-hitting news of the week everybody and they said they’re not building the Layton Utah Temple
I don’t know I guess I expected it maybe to pop up and went like a newer development that kind of thing that church often does but instead it’s going right between the 89 and the 15,
and what appears to be undeveloped like farmland,
there’s not a lot of rounded but surprising me based on that part of Utah but there’s their stuff around but it is not it doesn’t seem like a high-traffic high,
Commerce type area or anything like that which I think will change once they put.

Kurt:
[18:18] That the land values generally Skyrocket.

Geoff:
[18:21] The crew the cool thing though is the family of this this land was purchased by the church from a family that’s had the land in their hands for like a hundred and fifty years like way back since the Pioneer ERA this one family is held on,
it’s all this land and they decide.

Kurt:
[18:35] And it said no to several strip malls and Walmart sand and now it is it is.

Geoff:
[18:44] It’s kind of hard when the church comes a knocking I mean I I I hate to think the church Milo ball for stuff like this because they know that these good devout members,
we’re not going to be like no way man that’s below market value step up your game and we’ll talk I mean you just say oh well it’s a yes.

Kurt:
[19:02] I would hope I mean the church probably just looks at the market value and says here’s what we proposed it is and I would hope they pay full price.

Geoff:
[19:12] I would try to pull what I imagine the tour Tessa deal with in some foreign countries I mean we own you know we we pride ourselves on owning our buildings out right and you know we don’t Finance them but I do believe in a number of foreign countries,
the church cannot own the land the temple is on,
and so they at least basically so I think this family really should have played Hardball and be like know you’ll you will be our tenant and you will pay.

Kurt:
[19:38] Empire so there is Geoff what about this I know this is this is secondary to the Layton Temple site.

Geoff:
[19:50] All things are the Layton Temple is by the way we’ve asked for for a very long time we were very excited when it was finally announced because it’s new man if you run the numbers it’s a long time coming as far as how many church members are up in that stretch of the woods now I suppose.

Kurt:
[20:04] Geoff we have not asked for it as long as we’ve been asking for the West Valley City.

Geoff:
[20:08] No we have not been asking for is long.

Kurt:
[20:10] My people need to Temple and it better not be a magnet Temple.

Geoff:
[20:15] They announced the temple in Tooele Valley dude you’re done you don’t get one in West Valley of Tooele Valley gets one you’re done it’s over go home forget it.

Kurt:
[20:21] It’s coming it’s gone cuz I fasted and prayed several times.

Geoff:
[20:26] And you know what they’re going to do you know where they’re actually going to build it Taylorsville just to spite you.

Kurt:
[20:30] Valley Fair Mall right no way no Taylorsville no Magna I want right on Constitution Boulevard 2700 West.

Geoff:
[20:41] Jordan Commons Utah Temple.

Kurt:
[20:45] Anyway so big news breaking news Geoff Atticus not breaking it sold but that’s what,
every News network does is breaking news at efy,
go bye-bye as in the words of of Geoff here so the church has announced a new fsy for the strength of youth program that they will Abby,
doing in lieu of efy BYU ran efy write it but I never thought of it as a,
Church on Dancing line how do you say the church owns BYU but I thought of it more at BYU thing is that accurate.

Geoff:
[21:28] I mean it’s attacker but I’ve always thought of it as a church thing I mean who else do you think is paying Kenneth cope to write those dope tracks put on the CD come on.

Kurt:
[21:36] But I guess I feel like they have to separate it to some extent because it is something that you paid a playwright.

Geoff:
[21:43] That is true there’s a cost involved but is it viewed as a for-profit type cost or just a let’s cover the expenses for everybody.

Kurt:
[21:53] Right well I’m sure they do.

Geoff:
[21:55] I mean it I mean you’ve been paying to go to Scout camp four years right so,
and I remember other than the one I know I’ve never been to the one in Provo every now and then they seem to do these little regionally FYI mm kid like they do something,
it might be just for a day or will be a minor thing where you do one overnight and it wasn’t quite on the same level I saw a lot of different stuff growing up in that way but I guess now it’s all gone,
Dover the given up.

Kurt:
[22:23] So that’s right so this that says leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day Saints announced Friday,
this is last Friday right bet stakes in the United States and Canada will sponsor biennial.

Geoff:
[22:38] But by any biennial.

Kurt:
[22:39] Biennial conference has modeled after Brigham Young University’s especially for youth programs beginning in 2027 292 Stakes will begin to hold for the strength of Youth conferences as part of the church’s effort to unify its program for children youth around the world because
I know if you’re aware of this yet but fsy has been happening in other countries like Australia for many years right cuz in Australia they did not have EF wise they were called FS twice.

Geoff:
[23:05] And that is why though Australia has a small temple in Sydney and then nothing but Hinckley era many temples Australia does not have a single let’s say it was called what it is a real Temple okay.
And I definitely don’t have a Holodeck Temple like Kurt once.

Kurt:
[23:24] That’s right someday Geoff they won’t need that deal just anyways.

Geoff:
[23:29] Sunday the good Saints of Adelaide and Darwin will simply go to their meeting now.

Kurt:
[23:36] So I definitely you may understand and clarify this if if needed but at every other year they idea will be that steaks will
take their used to a certain location and Utah Toby location like
BYU campus or the institute at University or Utah State University or I’m guessing here and and they will leave them for the good majority of the week,
and then come pick them up at the end the weekend it will be conducted by young single adults in the area that will facilitate.

Geoff:
[24:06] No folk he’s just why I say is are going to be helping out with no one ordered.

Kurt:
[24:11] And of what I would like I mean are they going to have the John by the way Brad Wilcox type of speakers or it sounds like it’ll just be the young single adults that will either speak or lead sessions in their own.

Geoff:
[24:24] That that’s what I get from this and then the church’s official is who they had an announcement and I don’t think this rules out stuff in Utah or let you know if you’re in Utah supposed to be kind of local but what it says is,
oh so you know BYU’s knocking offered traditional efy sessions in order to assist the Church of facilitating the fsy thing so the provided by the church to help locally with the support of BYU,
yada yada BYU will still do special efy session that church historical sites,
that’s actual like efy so I can have now boo Nauvoo Palmyra Independence and Salt Lake City there might still be special versions of efy but the whole Provo shindig is gone and it’s going to be decentralised switch,
how many ways makes sense I mean we’re trying to be more local or trying to be a more equitable,
as well and I never got to do the Pro Bowl thing I grew up in Southern California later on I saw my steak sometime said that you thought there was a great experience for them and I’m kind of sad which didn’t do it,
when I was a kid I just don’t have the time or the resources to drive everyone up to Provo for a week two parties just didn’t happen.

Kurt:
[25:33] So one thing you were mentioning Geoff is that it is unclear as far as steaks outside of Utah where they will wear these will be held or if it will be a true overnight experiencer.

Geoff:
[25:45] It doesn’t say a ton about it,
Dallas says they’re going because counselors and then most of the announcement after that sort of talks more about something else when I get into it a couple of minutes but.
Headed to the today how many months I mean it just says it’s not going to start until,
2024 small conferences then in 2021 and 2022 all states in the u.s. and Canada so,
next year there will be 292 pre-selected sticks out how they got on that number but there you go 292 and I really want to see some kind of a heat map,
how where those are just to get an idea what they’re dealing with if it’s like Intermountain West or if they decided to include the Fighting Saints of Shadow Kentucky.

Kurt:
[26:32] There was somebody in.

Geoff:
[26:32] So there but they have they haven’t asked not to plant Rex during the years when they will be having issues with his every other year none of that.
But that’s it yeah it doesn’t give a lot of detail about what this is actually going to involve.

Kurt:
[26:47] So somebody in my the leading Saints helpers group that’s Facebook group on Facebook obviously
said that she’s from Australia said here
here in Australia we have them every other year they hold it at a university just after Christmas when all the students are in brake and the youth stay in the dorms last year they had Brad Wilcox come they do
They do change lives it would definitely be one of the most influential experiences for you so
this is good like one aspect of this that I think is so helpful is that I didn’t I never went to a efy as a youth and I think part of that was because my parents,
baby didn’t want to Fork to the out the money for that experience though that they probably saw the value but if you didn’t fit in the budget where this is going to,
equalize all that right so that’s every youth will have a efy like it.

Geoff:
[27:42] Of course I’ve done is elsewhere I’m a longtime Losers of the show my remember owl our beloved erstwhile post was an efy counselor a lot growing it when he was in his more College Years and later on he had a great time doing that.
What’s Curious when it says like a State University or something like that that seems a lot to me like you,
I don’t know how big it’s supposed to be but very similar to what I’ve seen with one of you comes as my own steak is actually doing youth conference this year at Southern Virginia University,
and that’s what they’re doing everything on it so I’m assuming it’s bigger than just my stick they’re bothering to go downtown to Buena Vista which is how it’s pronounced for some reason Beyond understanding and,
is it just going to be you conference is that really what it is it doesn’t say this is replacing youth conference.

Kurt:
[28:32] Yeah but I think it it could be a,
richer experience just because it may be more standardized as far as the young single adults that are running it week-to-week or you no have have it down pat and so it’s not like every stake is Reinventing the wheel in their own way right so.

Geoff:
[28:50] Here’s what they do instead it hears hears I’ve got the way to fix this the church by the number of camps type things right facilities they permanently employment apparently they summer employ,
people across the Region’s to staff this is just like going to camp and you send the kids to camp and its Youth Camp but it’s,
fsy and that’s what they do you have counselors,
you know we’re in the fishing hats and sunblock and for some reason I’m making illusion city classic Nickelodeon show Salute Your Shorts right now and which is a great program and that is what it should be summer camp for the Youth,
same thing but nothing but young at butt,
at the Y save governing them so they won’t get all all upset when kids fall in love and want to hold hands,
cuz the older adults do that they wanted they they’re murderers of love as everyone knows.
Once I went out to get we go to the mountains and we stay the night like a cat big cabin or something like that coed youth activity like Lake Arrowhead,
and to prevent the boys and girls from fraternizing during the wee hours I kid you not one of the advisors a male advisor slept on the stairs not at the foot or the top of the stairs literally,
on the stairs I don’t know how to be done.

Kurt:
[30:17] Got to see a chiropractor right now.

Geoff:
[30:20] They were they were so intent on making sure that no Shenanigans transpire that they went that far I mean it was mostly funny to us but.
Trust trust the kids.

Kurt:
[30:29] History.

Geoff:
[30:31] So enough on that related of course there’s new guidance for youth curriculum that’s right we’re not just getting FS why we are also,
sort of learning more about what’s happening with kids in youth the church announced a while ago along with all the revamps we’ve had over the past 18 months or so,
there will be a whole new program for primary and for youth is especially relevant because we are now down to the last six months of the church has relationship with scouting,
that incidentally I would love to hear from any of you about how your ward is doing with scouting if you’re the sort of petering out or if it’s like a mad rush to the end I think it’s a mix I think there’s a lot of diversity in that regard so,
what saddens me is this was sort of a big announcement last week they said oh yeah leaders receive information on the new Global Children and Youth initiative,
most of what we’ve received is that it now has a name which is called Children and Youth they just figured I don’t know if this is cuz the church is taking an SEO hit after ditching lds.org and they said all right,
the next thing we do we’ve got a really just named it what it is so that it ranks better so let’s just call it Children and Youth and call it a day nothing fancy.

Kurt:
[31:49] Do you feel like they just like I feel like they keep announcing this with no new.

Geoff:
[31:54] That that is.

Kurt:
[31:55] Like obviously we’re going to have our broadcast on September 29th but I wonder if we’re going to all sit down for that bro I guess I mean those that are invited whatever and we’ll just say we have a new program coming at the beginning of the year thank you for coming,
and I don’t like what year did.

Geoff:
[32:10] Are there still are no details end in letter this week if you are a member of the church who has access to these if you ever go to letters. LDS. It’s right letters. Church of Jesus Christ. Org but just type in the other one it’ll still redirect.
If you have the appropriate credentials you can load letters that are sent to stake presidents and Bishops and who else
and so this is part of the update to remind everyone about September 29th a day that will live in infamy when on the second hour of church,
everyone will watch a special broadcast featuring M Russell Ballard which we pretty much already knew.

Kurt:
[32:49] So is during church that will wash.

Geoff:
[32:51] It is green shirts not special Fireside it’s going to happen during church,
did the big announcement they made is that there’s a new website that is also access restricted called Children and Youth sorry children and youth leaders. Church of Jesus Christ. Org,
has a mouthful sorry it just did,
and that’s a whole website that just right now pretty much just a link to a lot of the same PDFs that you can find if you go to letters. Lds.org and we’re just looking for the same stuff it’s there’s an introductory guide there are a couple of videos,
there’s a thing that asks what’s the same and what’s different but all of this isn’t one letter that was sent to The Bishop’s they just split it up into different lengths so ask for what’s the same and what is different that we know what this.

[33:38] So there’s a little table here at the end things that are if there’s not much honestly like heard said they’re just sort of teasing this one out,
primary young woman young man Sunday school with adult leaders and Coram and class presidencies will continue as a core Foundation to this new emphasis however there’s a select new feature of,
that the following programs are being retired faith in God for girls faith in God for boys personal progress scouting duty to God so okay we kind of knew that already,
other unchanged stuff families will study come follow me new thing that we already knew about Seminary students will start following come follow me they announce that some months ago.

[34:16] I needed to say will stay the same activities and service efforts for primary as well as activity service efforts overnight camps conferences and other multi activities for youth will be held at appropriate for local circumstances,
the news partner says activity should be based on helping children and youth grow spiritually socially physically,
an intellectually which I kind of think was a goal all along but I’m okay with doubling down to try to drive the point back home again and make it better,
and then it says what hasn’t changed his children and youth will be encouraged to set an achieved personal goals yes,
and what’s new with its Children and Youth choose their own goals to help them grow spiritually socially physically and intellectually and that is the one that I think I’ll leave this more into how this is going to look,
it seems like there’s going to be it’s going to be less here’s a program with a goal driven,
I was going to be a lot more self-initiative involved in this sort of hinted at it but that’s what I’m curious to see what.

Kurt:
[35:14] Isn’t that sort of the trend of all things in the church right now is it as we get larger and larger and more and more countries you know lay lay down,
the roots that of the church is that they can’t prescribe too many details to the general Church body right it’s got to be much more autonomous in in there.

Geoff:
[35:34] It’s a very interesting mix that sort of it’s almost anti correlation in a way but at the same time we are standardizing these approaches so it’s it’s a it’s a curious mix of the two,
I guess,
so stay tuned and then of course in October there’s going to be this face-to-face event with Gerrit W gong and whenever I hear the whole face-to-face thing I think of the,
what’s that group called light love the easier it was like Air Supply for Mormon what was it called Kurt you know what I’m talking about.
Lighthouse lighter through that song.

Kurt:
[36:14] Whatever it is I bet you’re going to end this episode.

Geoff:
[36:16] No I can’t have I don’t know what it what the group is how am I supposed to find.

Kurt:
[36:19] You can Google that you’ll find it.

Geoff:
[36:22] They’re not as smart with the churches with SEO by just naming things what they are this I mean they might as well say easy listening song or that great Adam Sandler movie on Netflix that’s just called Murder Mystery why can’t things and they just called and what they are.

Kurt:
[36:35] It’s right so just I just said I’m sure you heard that to president Nelson recently spoke at the NAACP can,
the future guest of twin of Peggy Fletcher stack wrote up an article about this is she said on Sunday night.

Geoff:
[36:53] Interview stack Fletcher stack yet.

Kurt:
[36:56] On a Sunday night LDS church president Russell Nelson quoted unique Mormon text in the speech at the end of aacps a hundred and tenth annual,
convention in Detroit saying all are alike unto God
falling speaker after speaker Rowling attendees to battle the nation’s eels the leader of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints repeated that scriptural phrase to make sure the NAACP audience,
filled the arena where Martin Luther King Jr gave the first rendition of his moving I Have a Dream speech in 1963 Honda Si,
our leader especially our prophet in may be different context speaking to the world speaking to a specific.

Geoff:
[37:41] Yeah I think this is very cool I mean we’ve been working on a partnership with the n-double-acp pretty much since president Nelson came in,
there was this partnership for a genealogy center I think in Mississippi or the northern Memphis anyway,
that was sort of the spark we said we want to be in on this and help you help the n-double-acp basically just threw money and resources that we have as far as record
tell them stand this up and little by little we’ve gotten gotten more involved and we also had a presence when they open the national museum of African American history here in Washington DC,
just slowly built that relationship and so having present Nelson speak at their convention,
is pretty cool and I think they were very welcoming and excited to have us there and I have to imagine his remarks were probably vetted by their side,
and I don’t think this is too hot I think Church PR is dropped the ball quite a bit in recent years pretty much since Michael auterson left something’s not quite going right there but
this was clearly not one of those this is one of those times when they I think they took their sweet time to make sure that everything all the Ducks were in a row.

[38:49] With that said of course I think there are many who continue to expect,
are the church to issue an apology for past racism what can call a spade a spade that’s fine to have those the policies the doctrines would you know there’s disagreement on what was what in some circles,
do you want the apology for that I don’t I just don’t think you can hold your breath I just don’t think it’s going to happen I believe the church is simply trying to just sort of say that’s what it seems to be the plan,
but there’s something at me do you see some of your circles as well we’re just kind of like this is great and all that man why why can’t I just get up and say we are sorry,
that this happened it was based on,
policies that we don’t even know the exact route of and it took root in the church and we ran with it and we even have missionaries preaching about seed of Cain and junk like that way back went and it was not right then we can always fix it.

Kurt:
[39:52] No I definitely seen that I don’t know if I mean,
that people are always go to the apology you know what and there’s a list of things that they wish they would apologize for it at the same time I don’t want that same group I and not I’m not as confident that they would,
suddenly you have any you know step apology did Cam every other concern or issue holding them back with suddenly vanish I got I mean at some point we,
personally have to move past even those organizations that maybe don’t apologize for things regardless if they should or not I mean that’s for each individual to,
to determine.

Geoff:
[40:32] Yeah so I mean it’s good we’ve denounce racism which I think is important I think,
what are two political but I think it’s increasingly important based on the way our society seems to be,
going in the past handful of years I think it’s good to have that level of leadership you know if we’re standing arm and arm to make things better than let’s stand arm-in-arm to make,
it’s really bad by quick mention I want to give a hat tip to Russell Stevenson the Mormon history guy,
who was kind of talking about this on the phone with his Facebook stuff this week and actually 20 years ago there was an effort underway in California working with Marlin K Jensen who was the 70 of the time,
to issue a basically a formal apology for pre 1978 policies in this was a whole thing that was,
underway so much so that the LA Times wrote In Articles called Mormons made disavowal old view on blacks,
the effort obviously fizzled out we have never formally apologize for any of it but it’s very interesting to me that you’ve been 21 years ago,
people were working on putting this together and setting up the apology.

Kurt:
[41:46] Turn you can actually listen to present Nelson full remarks I found it on YouTube. Fairly easily it’s about 11 minutes long and it’s it’s worth.

Geoff:
[41:54] We will in bed the remarks on this week in Mormons. Cam to accompany this episode.

Kurt:
[41:59] But I just love that I just love seeing our prophets seers and revelators on different stages doing as soon as you hear from time to time different Apostle speaking it colleges you know
think of a Time Elder Holland spoke at Harvard and and I just I wonder if how much
how intentional they are above seeking out these different stages to
to speak on kind of promote our general message of you know Jesus Christ and who we are as his restored church but I would love to see like an apostle,
pop up internet on a Ted stage right on doing a TED talk or something like that be.

Geoff:
[42:35] I like the idea I want to see President Nelson doing a TED Talk well I mean president.

Kurt:
[42:39] Who would you sent I mean present Nelson but.

Geoff:
[42:41] Tops but let’s this is a good thing to think about what I can easily exclude some from the shortlist some of that some come to my break quickly I’m sure our listeners will know that it’s president Ballard,
I’ve been president and Elder cook,
but I do not want to send to this even though I know they’re both wonderful man and very affable congenial fellow who would be the best honestly I think I think,
Bednar would rock it pretty hard Holland I think would be everyone’s ideal because every went up north of course or just get up there and smash it never.

Kurt:
[43:14] Prr first string.

Geoff:
[43:15] The first Reich let’s give let’s give some love to Elder gong I think I’ll Oregon control that pretty hard.
Be down with that all right.

Kurt:
[43:28] Let’s start the petition.

Geoff:
[43:29] Speaking of sort of petition skirts and you’re crazy.

Kurt:
[43:33] See how I set you up.

Geoff:
[43:34] Crazy Republicans so you can relate to all these people,
to storm Area 51 you’ve hopefully seen this and your feeds over the past two weeks or so.

Kurt:
[43:46] Yeah I’ve reserved my Airbnb down there.

Geoff:
[43:48] There’s like a million there’s a it’ll never happen but there’s for those who don’t know a million people or so have signed up to a Facebook event to basically just go to Area 51 with a million people strong and be like try to stop US Government you can’t,
this is too many we will overrun the place and we’re going to see them aliens as one of the quote said so that’s a thing and I don’t think anything will happen but I sincerely hope that a million people somehow show up and actually do it cuz that would just be amazing.

Kurt:
[44:19] So we Mormon eyes this efforts in.

Geoff:
[44:21] 3/5 more minutes.

Kurt:
[44:22] Like we do with everything.

Geoff:
[44:24] We can’t come up with our own original ideas with boy oh boy can we Mormon ice of EXO instead of of course Gathering to go in Nevada,
there is now a an event called a hoax event allegedly but I think it should be real called storm The Vault they can’t stop us all,
and this is getting people to unite to storm the vault in the Granite Mountain in Little Cottonwood Canyon in Utah,
and for those who don’t know the kind of all is this massive climate control,
Partyland where we keep all the microfilms in Bixby all the genealogy for the world more or less if you’re ever driving a Little Cottonwood Canyon,
to your left as you enter briefly and you might actually see the little driveway that goes up to where it is it’s it’s not like hidden it’s right there but,
it’s got controlled access so the people sitting on a storm this weekend of all time that’s the best thing about it forget your Temple Square protest,
go storm the vault.

Kurt:
[45:23] And I mean,
at some point I mean let’s say hypothetically they they actually do this even if you got through the main gate I mean you’re going to need keys and things for open safes in compartments I mean this isn’t it would be.

Geoff:
[45:40] It does say that because the vaults are not guarded many guests will have better luck storming those then they would Area 51.

Kurt:
[45:46] Will send armor will gather Mormon Battalion to go meet the forces J.

Geoff:
[45:52] I love this this this brings me,
so much joy just add another thing to bring me so much joy real quick for some reason the Courier.

Kurt:
[46:04] How you’re going here.

Geoff:
[46:04] Location of this is just a good mention I don’t know I just don’t know why it was published Now The Courier. Co. Uk a British publication,
has has an article called,
15 years ago police called to a Dundee Mormon church to keep Donny Osmond fans at Bay Dundee is a Scottish city north of the,
the first of the 4th and 1st,
north of Edinborough and apparently Donny Osmond went there for a Fireside and pandemonium ensued and it got cray cray this wasn’t a concert at the fireside there were a thousand tickets for church members,
but it was just crazy it was just crazy that’s supposed to be the whole story,
it was nuts now the funniest thing to me about the story this happened in 2004 that’s not to slam Donny Osmond he’s a wonderful person has his head,
this isn’t a story from 1978 or anything like that this is from 2004 and for some reason the career wanted to remind us of this hot event in Dundee history,
year 15 years ago that is all I just love that this.

Kurt:
[47:16] Donny puppy love Geoff never gets old.

Geoff:
[47:18] I love this exist I love them for embedding a video of the Osmonds playing crazy horses which is one of the Bonkers songs they’ve ever recorded,
namely for the horrible keyboard track what you all need and now I have the music to you.

Kurt:
[47:34] There you go do you have to pick between that and some mysterious face to face song So What will find it you speaking of ridiculous,
news headlines and articles that were written there’s an article in the desert news titled Church ball takes to a new court that Utah Supreme Court.

[47:52] This is the court recently ruled against a Utah man who sued on suit and opposing player after being injured in a church sponsor game in 2012 in his argument an attorney for the man invoked the quote
attributed to the late Arizona Senator John McCain during the 1989 senate floor speech where he said,
supposedly wild the lawlessness of MMA is a dangerous and brutal exercise there’s no one sport more vicious and cold blooded that takes place in Mormon being a.

Geoff:
[48:23] This is so stupid I hate you. I hate your state so much.

Kurt:
[48:26] Anyways so but nobody can confirm that that code is not on the Congressional Record.

Geoff:
[48:34] Oh well shucks.

Kurt:
[48:35] I thought this was an interesting circumstance Happening Here my great state of Utah where somebody actually sued somebody for work flagrant foul,
that will I was supposed to his in his opinion. The recipe again and it made it all the way up to the Supreme Court where they said no when you play a sport where there might be contact you are sort of expecting and agreeing for that contact to happen and so it ended there,
there’s a man with a blown-out knee somewhere that is having to cover Zone.

Geoff:
[49:08] Of course yeah of course this happened in Utah cuz you people don’t believe in like the well-being of others.

Kurt:
[49:15] I love you ever seen anything crazy in it in church ballgame does this really not happening for.

Geoff:
[49:20] Well I’m the worst person to ask I haven’t been to a church ball games does a teenager by choice so,
I like to hear that I hear things I hear it gets intense I hear they had a big problem with youth church ball in our stake over the past year. They couldn’t get a full teams from a lot of the ward so the words that are bringing ringers of like kids from the community,
but the problem was there bringing into it like kids are older and bigger and not disciplined in any way.

Kurt:
[49:50] And were used to maybe throw some punches on the on the.

Geoff:
[49:52] They had some problems last year they got close to just canceling youth basketball entirely which I’ve heard happens in general.

Kurt:
[49:58] Every state has received that receives that thread about.

Geoff:
[50:02] You need to move some more like Ohio and experience church outside of Utah I think it would be good.

Kurt:
[50:08] It’s true hey I meant I am sheltered and I would welcome the opportunity there if there is anybody listening in Ohio if there’s anybody in Ohio has a spare basement that I can fit my whole family and I will move and experience.

Geoff:
[50:21] I mean there’s got to be at least be there’s got to be somebody you can interview for leading Saints right.
By the way I remember the name of the group I’ve been thinking of afterglow do you not remember.

Kurt:
[50:38] Yes even I remember Afterglow so can you play us a clip here Geoff is that too are you going to be sued.

Geoff:
[50:46] Fair use I can do.

Kurt:
[50:49] 60 year old Afterglow.

Geoff:
[50:51] Perry Okay this doesn’t work I’ve got to find him a few Wikipedia Afterglow it gives you an American psychedelic rock band from the 60s that’s not helping me thank people with their similar names but if I hear it hear some African music everyone enjoy.

[51:21] Oh wow that was incredible oh my goodness can you believe we got to hear that how blessed are we.

Kurt:
[51:28] Nice I didn’t hear it on my end Geoff but I assume it.

Geoff:
[51:31] You’re supposed to fake it and pretend you heard the whole thing that’s podcasting 101 is there’s the actress involved in this Kurt and you’re the one who has a website telling people how to make a podcast came and tell him the truth.

Kurt:
[51:42] Well hey you need to podcast, but anyways. I’ve never inserted a track there.

Geoff:
[51:49] Well if I knew it was after 12 when I just I think they did the I think they have to look at it after school do face-to-face have to go face-to-face this is very important I’m finding nothing Afterglow to generic a term for a band named itself.

Kurt:
[52:05] You know what else is over Geoff is the news this week what do you mean you want to even mention someone,
like I mean check out this headline Eagle Scout numbers expected to drop once Church Bales like no duh.

Geoff:
[52:17] A reminder to find the recruit somewhere else right right.

Kurt:
[52:24] Everything will drop no one else will drop is like their existence it will probably slowly fatal.

Geoff:
[52:29] Does descendants carry make you sad or neutral how do you.

Kurt:
[52:33] You’re a little bit I mean I’m a proud scouter I’m at Eagles proud Eagle Scout not that I’m like not that I prayed ever for that calling or to be asked.

Geoff:
[52:43] Being an eagle scout a calling.
You can’t pray to be an eagle scout Kurt if you pray to be an eagle scout.

Kurt:
[52:48] That rank noise I did pray to be a scout leader.

Geoff:
[52:52] I was I’ve never been a scout leader and I suppose I’m in the clear barring some substantial changes in the next 6 months but I don’t see why they would I don’t think,
how’s it going to be rocking the boat at this point I think it’s just see it to the finish line and move on which is very good and cuz if I would have ever been called you friends of scouting there would be problems and I’m not one to turn down Church callings I’m not,
but I would have some serious reservations to express to the counselor inevitably who’d be calling me to that role.

[53:20] And I got to explain why and say because the money doesn’t even go to your true it’s pointless,
all hail friends of scouting the one thing I’ll mention real fast they dedicated a Children’s Memorial over and this is the place,
get over there and you know you Salt Lake City
so there’s a Memorial dedicated to the 650 children who died during the Mormon trail in the mid-1800s this this is a legit Memorial I mean they had president Ballard there to Dedicated,
along with an elder Craig C Christensen who is the present president of the Utah 70,
that alone is great it’s a wonderful commemoration and Elder Ballard said you know how grateful we are is in a prayer as by children to be gathered here at the base of this Memorial that’s been prepared to honor the little children who in their faith and trust,
try to come here but did not make it,
I think it’s a wonderful way to honor these kids we we tell these stories of all the Valiant pioneers and today’s Pioneer Day.

Kurt:
[54:27] Very meta.

Geoff:
[54:31] But we often don’t tell the story of the fact that there were you just kids who.
Kids who many of which were either had the faith or were following the faith of their parents,
and suffered the consequences at least temporarily because of that and so I think it’s wonderful that they have the names of all these kids etched into 17 large stones and they’ve added this to the park,
I also Elder Christensen made I think wanted to add a little bit of a reminder about who we are the people
that he framed it talking about Utah in particular you said you ties becoming more and more ethnically diverse and they’re all Pioneers so this is really a way for us to highlight what Utah stands for
it’s not lost this is a memorial for children and part of that sacredness of the gathering with the sacrifice the little children made a mother and father’s came to get here and we see,
that in Utah today you see immigrants coming here looking for a better life and focusing on what they have to do to make a better life for their children that’s what’s really important and I think anyone who enjoys,
little missions of the Church of the sort of more pro-immigration point of view,
will say rock and this is more current than for the random statement by the first presidency by keeping families together a year and two months old to keep getting circulated on social media all the time,
as if it just came out I’m still confused about that one but there we go that’s really good.

[56:00] I like I like the reminder of that didn’t all the time but we have the church has laid down pretty hard saying yeah you need to not treat people like dogs they are people and they’re looking for a better life.
So Curtis nothing to say cuz he hates immigrants okert.

Kurt:
[56:22] What what whoa whoa whoa.

Geoff:
[56:24] I have it on good authority that you hate immigrants and.

Kurt:
[56:28] I I spent two years of my life in this great country preaching the gospel to immigrants that I love many legal and others.

Geoff:
[56:36] Probably some I like guaranteed most of the time in Utah I’ve ever done since in Sacramento I taught a ton of most of what I thought in Spain were South American immigrants and I think the Lion’s Share of them were with so that’s how.

Kurt:
[56:50] I saw it for the record for the poem record I love immigrants especially those that are here as refugees so.

Geoff:
[56:59] And just as by way of reminder everyone just in case you just don’t know this I know many of you know how you think the show is liens or whatever that’s fine what think what you want to think but,
but I just like to deal with some facts and an asylum is a form of legal immigration the log my change around that and then whatever okay,
Asylum Seekers are not engaging in illegal immigration fact.
End of discussion okay there is illegal immigration that’s another topic to have but asylum-seekers are going through legal channels.
That’s a process that we’re supposed to honor,
because we’ve agreed to it by our own law and has different laws and laws can change and that’s fine if I don’t want to throw that out there.

Kurt:
[57:47] But that then that should definitely be the lot right then it’s good thing it is.

Geoff:
[57:50] Yes so it is but I think they’re many circles who would have you believe it is not and it’s just a bunch of illegal people trying to storm the country,
Asylum is a legal means of immigration with that said I would love to thank my co-host and not give him any more chances to speak Kurt frankum of leading Saints is here,
and was here.

Kurt:
[58:13] Thanks Geoff
I appreciate it I always welcome the opportunity to sit in the co-host share with you and if people want another podcast to check out the witch whatever you’re listening to this one you can
join us over at leading Saints and that we also have a exciting virtual Summit another virtual some of putting together this time we’re tackling the concept of how to help individuals who are wrestling with pornography
and how to overcome that,
that the Habit in their life and so if you want more information you can go to Leading Saints. Org sign up for a newsletter and I will be sending more more details up over
sending more more details over the.

Geoff:
[58:53] Is that cuz you saw sort of a gap in coverage Dental don’t talk about pornography as much in general conference nowadays and you figured you had to bring it back make sure to keep that on the.

Kurt:
[59:02] Well it’s definitely like the it’s definitely the number one issue that leaders a deal with.

Geoff:
[59:07] I believe.

Kurt:
[59:08] As in their official capacity so we hope to create a as well-rounded as possible resource to really hit it.

Geoff:
[59:16] That’s great we’ll keep an eye out for that everybody that’s awesome I’m so cool thank you very much for all you do in general I think you helped a lot of Latter Day Saints in countless ways and thank you for being part of twin,
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Kurt:
[1:00:39] Cue the Afterglow.

Geoff:
[1:01:58] Oh hey sorry Geoff again I just need to issue a bit of a retraction you see I’ve realized after the fact that Afterglow,
do not sing the song face to face as reference earlier in the episode that honor of course went to none other than Kenneth Cole.
Who I think I also reference in the episode so with that in mind everyone I regret the error I was foolish and now I would like to let you hear some of that Kenneth cope as we go away thank you for your time.