Please give a warm welcome (and hit the subscribe button in honor of said warm welcome) to none other than Al Doan, who has decided to check in on our operation. It’s nice to have him back, even for a spell.

There were a few big-ticket items in Latter-day Saint news this week. Arguably the largest, at least gauged by social media reaction, was a clarification on the Word of Wisdom first published in The New Era and later referenced in an official press release. The Word of Wisdom has a knack for sparking contention within our ranks, and we’ll see if the clearer guidance—that iced tea is still tea of the prohibited variety—takes root among the saints.

The week’s other large story is new required abuse prevention training for ward and branch leaders. The Church continues to evolve in its approach to protecting youth and children from abuse and other dangerous situations. Whether it is proactive or even in reaction to the work of some like Sam Young, there’s now an online resource as well as a link to the required training.

Ed Smart, Elizabeth Smart’s father, came out as gay last week, and some media outlets can’t seem to get enough of it. Is the Salt Lake Tribune merely swimming in the calming waters of good SEO, or are we overreaching? After all, Ed is merely a somewhat prominent Mormon who has come out and decided to leave the Church. But Al and Geoff disagree on how much we, as everyday members of the Church, should bear any brunt of criticism for making one feel that they no longer belong?

It was an article that made Al question is decision to return. Third Hour, the Buzzfeed of Mormonism, published an article containing 21 times Parks and Recreation, the NBC sitcom, perfectly reflected the Latter-day Saint experience. So yeah.

BYU has a queer community. They need support. And to help support one another, on occasion they meet up to socialize and mobilize. This time out, they hit that institution of institutions, Denny’s. Provo has so many options superior to Denny’s, and yet, they chose Denny’s.

Have you seen the classic LDS video, “The Prodigal Son”? It’s required viewing for any Latter-day Saint, and our own Jared Jones has a breakdown of this classic 1990s short video on Latter-day Saint Video Vault.

Likewise, our own Jeff Borders interviewed Colby Ferrin, a rapper who is Mormon. Al has decided the setlist of his debut album is clearly only about drug addiction or masturbation. He has no proof.

A Twitter user claims someone refused to interact with her because she said “the M word,” or “Mormon.” And she’s serious. If this happened…. geez.

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Transcript

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:00] Hello Americans and other people around the world from English-speaking countries that listen to show which is primarily Canada and New Zealand is it turned out welcome to this week in still Mormons.

Al Doan:
[0:14] But we’re still here,
you know a name change is such a hard thing to do the church can do it but to ask a small mom-and-pop podcast to go through a name change just because the Lord said so,
I don’t feel like that’s realistic wood Lehigh and change the name of is Merchants tent.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:36] What was the name of lehi’s tent.

Al Doan:
[0:39] Obviously flea Mormons it was a flea Mormon.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:43] By the way I don’t know if you’re new or to the show you might not recognize the voice the tear this week.

Al Doan:
[0:51] If you joined us in the last 2 years hello it’s me it’s me you’re looking for.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:55] This is a this is Al everybody Al is the co-founder this week in Mormons and the former regular co-host but he is.

Al Doan:
[1:04] It was a long that we did it for a long time Jeff there’s a lot of years that we were regular cause I’m surprised this is still going frankly,
I still subscribe to it and I haven’t looked in a long time so obviously I haven’t been on a podcast why would I listen to a podcast I’m not on and then I jump back in there and you’ve been you can still putting stuff out and I was like well I’ll be done.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:27] Al I am known for putting out.

Al Doan:
[1:29] I got to come back and retake my Throne who else who else have you had sitting in this chair anybody interesting since I.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:35] So many interesting people I mean I know what Emily we’ve got we’ve got.

Al Doan:
[1:38] Did Peter breinholt co-host an episode of.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:42] Peter breinholt is not Coast an episode nor did he ever give us a rundown of his trip to Peru which I feel like he owes us but since we do have his personal email perhaps a follow-up is in order I don’t know.

Al Doan:
[1:52] And it’s phone number we could text him but if he has not been here then nobody greater than I has sat in this chair you’re welcome I’m coming back I will I will Grace you all with my humor and wit let’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:07] Now let’s be clear I’m treating this with the apprehension that like an abandoned child does when Daddy comes back in town one weekend,
and says like it’ll be different this time it’ll be different this time and now I’m pretty sure at the end of this album is say something like a Daddy has to go away for a while but Daddy loves you.

Al Doan:
[2:25] This is not a regular thing I just come back from moment I’m like a hero I just running back through the crowd to the boost my ego and then I’ll go back into the Shadows,
don’t get used to me son were fishing we’re not Fishers all right we’re fishing one time we don’t go fishing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:44] That just it’s just the one time. It’s not even worth getting a license it’s not even that much.

Al Doan:
[2:48] That’s right the warden’s not going to catch.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:51] How’s the how’s the life been though mr. L I have not talked to you at all ever since the last time that’s not true but how’s life.

Al Doan:
[2:58] It’s good man it’s good I’ve got I’ve got child he’s a giant baby he’s a monster he is very low.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:04] Do the kids huge and he is younger than my children and he is probably larger than both of them even the four-year-old.

Al Doan:
[3:12] No I’m and I’m teaching him to wrestle already can’t walk properly but he will be able to drop an elbow like nobody’s business my wife is 6-foot I’m 6-7 we’re not they’re going to have a little baby,
as as the Italian.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:28] If you did it would be hilarious.

Al Doan:
[3:30] That would be funny I would if I actually knew I had a friend that I would school with his tongue in America Tongan woman and had an albino child and it was like she was she was adorable but like,
if any baby should have had,
the the sun kissed skin of the Tongans it was his child into a full-on albino and I loved it she was delightful until if I had a little Dorothy child is tortilla press at appropriate if I had a small a small child child.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:59] Dwarf is a technical term for a certain form of theirs.

Al Doan:
[4:01] Dwarf dwarf dwarf he feels the dwarf he feels diminutive INXS.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:06] Is it is it midget isn’t midget more pejorative I think dwarf dwarf isms are real.

Al Doan:
[4:12] Hey ya alright so if my baby was a little dwarf e I’m using that hesitant.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:17] I’m just going to let you use and let people.

Al Doan:
[4:18] I would love it too and I think it was hilarious but also having a giant is equally entertaining is this kid this kid I mean he’s like he’s like I don’t know in feet maybe 2/3 ft.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:31] 36 in.

Al Doan:
[4:34] I don’t know baby I don’t know baby size has anything under 6 foot is just kid and above is isgro,
in-the-know so he’s big and we’re having a blast with we travel the bunch with him we went we went all over if I’ve been since we went to Italy,
did the trip to Switzerland went through Morocco me with our our good friend.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:55] Yes you tried to get me on that one but I could.

Al Doan:
[4:58] Yeah that was a good time that was a good time I was in the Sahara just Jeff haggling for fruit weird things they upsell you on trips to the Dead,
and I’d buy a scarf to go over my mouth and I didn’t really need to spend $2 on that I’m a little.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:14] I’m very I’m sorry for yourself.

Al Doan:
[5:15] A little embarrassed that’s all right I’ve been working hard build some feeling some stuff,
moving and shaking does Geoff how are you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:29] I’m splendid I just wanted I spend my time you know I’ve been doing home renovations which is thrilling you should come out and help me with it that be fun yeah so.

Al Doan:
[5:42] Is that drywall behind you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:44] Alright over there no that’s rigid foam insulation not drywall but you’re getting there yeah yeah.

Al Doan:
[5:49] Is that the block out noises from the bathroom for.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:55] I only realized after buying it this isn’t a big deal but my basement apparently is not a full 96-in / standard size and height it’s a little bit shorter what happens in basement so it’s not a.

Al Doan:
[6:05] You got that razor blade out.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:07] Play means I got to measure everything and score it and then put it up and it
took the wind out of my sails it disappointed me I was feeling all Jad like all right I’m in the mood.

Al Doan:
[6:19] Now cutting two inches off just really takes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:21] But you would be happy to know I’ve also been I have my white whale has been replacing our bathroom fan.

Al Doan:
[6:28] I’m sorry who’s your white whale.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:30] Replacing a bathroom fan that shouldn’t be a big undertaking normally right but the kind I bought rather than mounting,
normally against the Joyce and then the flange goes outside the drywall and instead mounts on a bracket that goes between the joist receded from the drywall so I’ve had all this trouble of cutting a bigger opening around and then having to cut a frame piece of drywall patch.

Al Doan:
[6:50] Now that’s not made for a remodel that is made that is made for a new bill.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:57] You know furring strips and all the fun things like that so that’s been fighting off.

Al Doan:
[7:03] I asked I remodel my basement to since we last talked.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:07] Did you ever finish did you finish the media room yet.

Al Doan:
[7:10] I do have a movie theater in there this is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:12] Where are the updates been you were asking me all kinds of help for that I said nothing about.

Al Doan:
[7:15] Geoff Geoff I have fulfilled the dream I made as a 15 year old is 15 year old the movie room is a huge deal even as a single 20 year old very big.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:25] Oh yeah I remember where you.

Al Doan:
[7:27] As a married man whose wife goes to bed at 9:30 meeting room is not as big of a deal you know we can sneak in episode of Parks and Rec in here and there we’re still it’s been a month-and-a-half we have yet to watch a movie in there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:39] It’s hard to find the time I made it.

Al Doan:
[7:41] It’s hard to find the time and in I mean I love for the 10 to midnight movie time that is not a popular thing amongst a yeah a mother try to sneak in sleep or she can get it until we,
you know it’s it’s a little Netflix here and there and that’s not getting the Dolby Atmos experience it’s not giving me the nine point to point to I built.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:02] That’s what you went with in the end tonight.

Al Doan:
[8:04] That’s what I went with it I mean I could I could hear a pin drop from the front,
popping back to the back right I mean it’s all over the place and we are watching some Leslie no.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:15] And I’m assuming this is a 4K projector setup woman.

Al Doan:
[8:18] Oh my God yeah 4K laser,
yeah but I build my own screen it’s at it’s a 9-foot screen it’s beautiful I’ve got I’ve got the Theater seating couches the full recline couch think it’s amazing again.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:33] Hold on but do the couch seats have both cup holders and USB ports for charging while I’m sitting.

Al Doan:
[8:40] Neither.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:41] Then what’s this all been about what if I’m working toward.

Al Doan:
[8:44] I don’t let you bring your phone in Jeff phones are bad I’m like the Alamo Drafthouse I kick you out if you use a phone no you got to leave the phone at the door no USB charging but come on in let’s watch.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:54] But you’re just watching Parks and Rec I seen that a million.

Al Doan:
[8:58] What’s fair.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:01] Alright love it but come on.

Al Doan:
[9:04] Not but it but literally I mean I’m like I’m like I said this was not a dream that 35 year old Al had this was a Dream from many years ago that I’ve just been blindly fulfilling,
or chasing for years and sell,
now that I know that I’m here I’m doing a little like a sort of the John Travolta hands up like I don’t know what am I doing here.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:25] I’m getting confused from which reference is the John Travolta hands up I don’t know what am I going to do is that.

Al Doan:
[9:30] Have you not been aware of this meme where they drop him in the movie scenes and he would just like standing and look around like left and Raymond I don’t know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:37] I’ve missed this one this sounds like a Nicolas Cage thing than John Travolta thing but I believe you.

Al Doan:
[9:41] Nicolas Cage is is all of our heroes and he would never do something so so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:44] Maybe we’re both maybe we’re both just making a face off and that’s the movie we need to watch.

Al Doan:
[9:49] Revolving cycle of these are like no,
no obviously Nicolas Cage.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:00] The John Woo classic otherwise I’m still exec checking in the world living the dream trying to keep the bishop organized so much.

Al Doan:
[10:07] You certainly do sec.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:09] And you know just chilling works good the government is at the government does always.

Al Doan:
[10:19] Sounds abound.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:20] I work in the swamp I work in land that literally once was a swap everybody I mean it was.

Al Doan:
[10:27] Geoff you need to make me want to come back here more often this update makes me feel like I’ve missed nothing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:35] I mean you know it’s it’s it’s gotten DC’s gotten less exciting since the craziness got predictable three years ago cuz it’s just that way all the time so.

Al Doan:
[10:44] Yeah yeah politics politics is is wild I’m excited for an election year coming up next year I don’t think we get enough Politics as it is I’m ready for it to go into and Overdrive.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:57] If I’m not mistaken I believe I saw you comment today on Facebook that you are you are voting for Elizabeth Warren apparel.

Al Doan:
[11:03] I would love I would love if it was Warren Trump I think Warren Gets a vote.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:11] That surprises me because you are you are more farther right than I am generally.

Al Doan:
[11:17] I certainly am.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:18] But you like Warren which is she she is definitely not a peep in a moderate so that’s it.

Al Doan:
[11:24] No she’s not she’s not as I like the idea of breaking up big Tech I like some of I like I feel like she’s got sort of the the,
the some social programs that would actually be fine getting behind I feel like we make it make a difference.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:39] It’s like you’re being sent.

Al Doan:
[11:40] I’m looking at this and I’m like I’m like this is palpable because there is no one on the right is going to come I like unless we have some Evan McMullin resurgence,
which which Evan McMullin likely is
would be a mistake at this point also but like somebody somebody on the right that’s going to compete in like not be crazy I just don’t see it happening I’m still waiting for the full meltdown for the rights of the we can recover
much like the left is experiencing I’ll also I mean it’s just Mayhem.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:10] It really is that’s my life.

Al Doan:
[12:11] Mayhem but I’m open I’m open to any any decent contenders from any side I’ve given up my party affiliation.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:18] By the by the way I don’t know if you heard this one I did I hung out at a book club with Evan McMullin a few months.

Al Doan:
[12:25] Oh yeah what you looking for women.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:27] No cuz I was on man I Ran So Heavy who knows but,
it was fun we all read a book about the history of the CIA and so he was kind of like a gas mileage complaint was it’s a being a typical book club or you’re talking and having a conversation about the book the kind of became an evening with Evan McMullin were.

Al Doan:
[12:46] What did he what book was it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:47] Legacy of Ashes which is a,
read about your the history of the CIA and all the.

Al Doan:
[12:53] That’s a big book.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:54] It was a big buck I enjoyed it though and of course he was he defended the institution quite a bit given his background but it was interesting to hear I’m talking of candidly about some of his experience in Ops you know as much as he could so that was kind.

Al Doan:
[13:07] Was it was it born ished did he have any of like did you did you just shout out blackbriar and then run.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:14] Has ran away I ran out of the room but they even use light was like.

Al Doan:
[13:16] Triggered I’m triggered.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:18] He’s like I had an asset but yeah you haven’t asked that they are.

Al Doan:
[13:22] Wait he was just the handle he was like he was the girl that gets murdered and nobody cares.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:27] That’s what it was no I don’t know.

Al Doan:
[13:29] Oh that’s enough bowling for you he’s never going to be.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:32] He needs to be. That man pulled up boots Denim and a sport coat like nobody I’ve ever seen he had you had the look.

Al Doan:
[13:39] He really want for that he.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:41] He remembered us those that was the most most fulfilling yes he did he actually did.

Al Doan:
[13:46] Did he pass his regards to me thing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:47] No nobody remembered like being on the that we talked.

Al Doan:
[13:50] It was like there was two of you and you were obviously the more memorable one great to talk to you gif.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:57] Well anyway this is been a long section of the banter that some of you enjoying some of you want or iTunes reviews get very upset about so I encourage you either way to go to iTunes and right over.

Al Doan:
[14:08] I’m listening 14 minutes and they still haven’t started oh no they they start at 15 minutes it will listen Joe Rogan does this and that and he advertise it for five minutes we have no sir.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:21] Did you see the.

Al Doan:
[14:22] Not advertised to you at all.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:24] Did you see the push to have Joe Rogan moderate when the presidential debates.

Al Doan:
[14:28] I did you know I have to listen to Joe Rogan a lot ever,
ever I only know Joe Rogan from his Newsradio days where I revered him as a great actor of supreme capabilities and then and then you know like I stumbled into his world,
is there was there was the Bob Lazar,
and the flying saucers documentary thing this guy that like Area 51 S1 or S4 area,
all the government craziness at it was it was a very like,
I mean I’m not I’m not a flying saucer a guy but I have this moment unlike and like you know if if gravity,
we’re able to be produces waves,
and we could travel with that there’s a real shadman maybe maybe there’s some civilization out there to figure this out We believe We believe that there are planets as numerous as the Sands of the sea,
we believe that people are on other planets and me that’s a religious backing that we have we got to believe there’s a flying saucers made around somewhere and this is Bob Lazar trip it like I was like this guy doesn’t sound crazy maybe and then,
I got really into it for about 2 weeks and watch it as soon as you move past like a decent interview and you start getting back in the YouTube stuff you like this is obviously.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:47] Then you were watching all the moon landing fake stuff and you.

Al Doan:
[15:51] I’m at my YouTube algorithm is a mess I’ll be honest it is the suggested stuff right now is that I also I have my birthday this last weekend when I trip and me and my other 35 year old male buddy that went on this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:05] Sounds terrible.

Al Doan:
[16:07] Week we worked we discovered lizzo which was delightful,
she is she’s a large black woman,
who is is a great rapper very talented and we worked out a dance routine and with it now that the sad thing about two straight white guys in their thirties that work out a dance routine to lizzo is it there’s no safe place to post this,
there’s no place where I can share this this moment of Genius that we had and expect,
to not have that be taken the wrong way Twitter would eat Us Alive.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:42] I know you posted you posted on YouTube and you enjoy those monetization views.

Al Doan:
[16:46] No chip I don’t know I think that would follow me in a terrible way is he back in the old.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:52] There’s not much bad stuff there already is a view on YouTube that’s not that bad there’s an interpretive tree dance from 13 years ago in Ukraine where you look tremendous just the other day actually,
just the other day actually I look at my YouTube channel which doesn’t have much stuff on it but it does have both are Amazing Race application video.

Al Doan:
[17:10] No you have to remove that that is a.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:13] And don’t know it even worse video the Orlando one of the other.

Al Doan:
[17:15] The Orlando trip one was the one that you agreed to never know you you were great I’ll report that as like defamation.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:21] 67 days in Orlando.

Al Doan:
[17:23] The The Amazing Race application I’m fine with either that was great but we have to admit it’s crazy look back on that we had all that together on like the crappiest cameras we had.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:33] It looks terrible.

Al Doan:
[17:34] We Orlando one when I’m laying in the pot I’m ugly love electronics that we’re trying so hard to play it exactly what they want.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:43] Your exact I believe your exact quote is something along the lines of its nose and you’re like seriously I’m always on the lookout for the newest Gadget and I used the most shamelessly.

Al Doan:
[17:54] Are you still in Edinburg.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:57] I was a little girl that there’s only shot to me like wandering around Scotland trying to be like all these beautiful Vistas like here I am wearing a weird shirt and a sport coat so I look studious.

Al Doan:
[18:10] Yeah yeah anyway if we have any other closet lizzo fans reach out if you haven’t listened to it before I look for the edited version it gets fairly explicit pretty fast but,
it’s a great birth.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:26] Did I’ve gotten weaker on the language stuff lately on so it’s on my content I need to I need to tighten it back up.

Al Doan:
[18:32] Have you started swearing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:33] I know not with what I say like okay while ago I got a new show called The expanse with if you’ve ever seen it it’s.

Al Doan:
[18:39] You also watch the Americans or two that was a filthy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:42] The Americans it all depends how you look at it so the expanse I guess I fire when it was on got pretty loose with some rules later on.

Al Doan:
[18:49] That’s why I like things like Battlestar Galactica where they just made up their own song.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:53] There you go I would.

Al Doan:
[18:53] Frick frack me.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:55] Or the good place when they just yeah you know.

Al Doan:
[18:58] Fork.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:59] Well folks you know you didn’t mention Parks and Rec you also why not
lead off with a listicle from Good Old Third Hour of the BuzzFeed of Mormonism called 21 times Parks and Rec perfectly captured the Latter Day Saint Esprit.

Al Doan:
[19:15] Know this story makes me not miss doing swim at all,
this is absolutely is clickbait trash that you’re somehow.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:22] This is Caroline coppersmith.

Al Doan:
[19:25] She sounds made up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:26] Would you rather I read the suggested articles 17 reason Mormons aren’t that great now that.

Al Doan:
[19:32] No it’s all clickbaited have another one that’s like a Joseph Smith inflammatory that was like oh this could be interesting and then it’s like no this is Ally what is this website.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:44] This is the third hour used to be called the Mormon Hub prior to things happening in that realm and also prior to the third hour of church I believe their name because the third our church and I was gone and so they.

Al Doan:
[19:59] Yeah much like the third our church has gone this website should be gone.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:05] They’re owned by the more good foundation which actually runs away.

Al Doan:
[20:07] Let’s let’s move on I think we said everything worth mentioning out of this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:12] Everyone just go you can you can see all linked to it on the website right underneath which will be the video of Al’s application to live in Orlando for two months now.

Al Doan:
[20:20] If that does not come down I will never speak to you again we will cease to be friends and I’m not joke,
there’s another.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:32] I’m going to send it to the next random institution discovering the quilt shop and say by the way,
look at it morning how it was then haha.

Al Doan:
[20:41] Yeah let’s see the church the church came out with a new word of wisdom is this the word of wisdom news that we’ve been waiting for for the last nine General conferences were they like they’re going to repeal it they’re going to repeal the word of wisdom,
coffee is back.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:58] No not exactly it was more I think they’re redirecting stuff in here that would happen was initially published a section in the upcoming edition of the new era and since then they felt was the statement,
along the same lines and images referencing people to this link,
a lot of this to me was kind of like yeah okay I didn’t think this was anything earth-shattering but they decided to really clarify stuff for the Modern Age including,
reminding though that vaping violates the word of wisdom which is probably a good reminder I’ve talked to a number of people who work with youth and they’ve said that like yeah kids vape and it’s an issue.

Al Doan:
[21:34] Nearly two-thirds of teen e-cigarette users at the pods were vaping contain thought that the pods they were vaping contain only flavoring that’s way way far from the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:46] Quote that’s the length.

Al Doan:
[21:46] Who’s who speaks like that are they speaking to the to the urban youth.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:53] Yeah they’re trying to be.

Al Doan:
[21:54] That’s way way far from the truth bro.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:57] This is.

Al Doan:
[22:01] It just seems like a weird way like why are they speaking like this this this feels like it’s not the church.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:07] What’s a youth magazine come on now ask for coffee the coffee one’s kind of funny soda.

Al Doan:
[22:12] Totally don’t drink coffee.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:14] So it said the word,
coffee isn’t always the name of coffee drinks so before you try what you think is just some new milkshake flavor here are a couple rules of thumb one if your in a coffee shop or any other shop that’s well known for its coffee the drink your ordering probably has coffee at it so either never buy drinks at a coffee shop or always ask if there’s coffee in it
or two drinks with names that include Cafe.

Al Doan:
[22:38] They’re coming out against car.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:39] Or cafe mocha latte espresso or anything ending in Chino or coffee and are Against The Word of Wisdom quickly no,
that’s not entirely.

Al Doan:
[22:54] Frappuccinos that have mocha in them yes that’s that’s a that’s bad but like the double chocolate chip Frappuccino,
they’re so copying that unless you’re in China and they do make it with Chava I ran into that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:05] Interesting I don’t know that.

Al Doan:
[23:07] Oddly this strawberries and cream that’s that’s clean that’s fine you can ask the ask them but don’t take this the church’s Chino rule that’s not.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:18] Well that’s pretty funny exactly I mean I’ve loved the double chocolaty chip as well it’s delightful.

Al Doan:
[23:25] Oh it’s so good and it and lower calories and you’re getting a milkshake I mean it’s a healthy option yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:27] In the milkshake like half the calories of a milkshake now what’s interesting about this.

Al Doan:
[23:31] Similar similar to that the Chick-fil-A Bowl Blended lemonades the strawberry Blended lemonade so good and only like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:39] Those are amazing this is why I’m in shape,
well it’s my turn it off for a second so this week’s been interesting with this though because I’ve learned a lot cuz that people said what okay what the double chocolate chip dark what about the mocha syrup they put on it that’s what they call it the chocolate drizzle they do
it’s called mocha syrup so I looked up the ingredients of the mocha syrup because why not,
and there’s no mocha in it there’s chocolate in a bunch of chemical nonsense and sugar and such but there’s no coffee and what they’ve weirdly named mocha syrup so it’s okay.

Al Doan:
[24:10] Thankfully the man the copy institution is gotten so stingy on coffee they’re not putting it in everything there they’re lying to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:19] So is that one bugs me cuz it’s like no and it’s not everything iced coffee made a latte and it whatever it’s fine.

Al Doan:
[24:23] I do I do like the day they called out Ice-T and they’re like no I see nice try guys and then.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:31] And that’s a good reminder cuz iced tea is usually still brewed is hot tea and then you chill it it’s just it’s made with the real quick I know you want to jump down the next one,
this import for people to understand we got questions about it so when you have something like chamomile tea or some kind of mint tea.

Al Doan:
[24:46] An herbal tea.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:47] We it’s an herbal tea and so technically it’s not actually tease an infusion cuz for something to technically be tea and meat made from tea leaves so black tea green tea or actually made from the plant tea.

Al Doan:
[25:00] Yes like you can have fruit tea where you just put fruit infused.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:06] And that is not tea that the actual tea has to be made.

Al Doan:
[25:08] Call that on a mission but they be like 80 want to be like we can have fruit tea maybe like great here’s a spoonful of apricot jam stirred in your hot water heater.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:18] There you go.

Al Doan:
[25:20] And we would and I loved it I actually really like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:22] It’s just good to know cuz I’ve seen some Mormons be like why you drinking that herbal tea That’s tea and you like no this is not t bad marketing for us now I’m assuming you want to jump down to.

Al Doan:
[25:35] Not like the day they just low-key the like marijuana may be legal for medicinal and even recreational use for that doesn’t mean that only that any use,
is suddenly not against Word of Wisdom medical uses are being studied but only so,
habit forming substances should be avoided except under the care of a competent physician and then used only as prescribed so there’s sort of her like medical marijuana School.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:04] They sort of our but the funny thing to me is that like why they choose to express it in this way cuz they’re basically say.

Al Doan:
[26:12] You can’t trust any of the wording for any of these because they’re all.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:17] What do I trust already here but but basscon try to think about their sort of out on the same medical uses are being studied and the church also mention that during Utah’s medical marijuana ballot measure last year they talked about
well they’re still studying the science on it,
so why are we relying upon the science of it if for example science has already told us that a glass of wine can be good for your heart,
we don’t care about the science of it because it’s still against the rules so likewise.

Al Doan:
[26:44] Well well it’s like,
I like tobacco they’re fine with you mashing up a tobacco leaf and putting it on a wound right you just can’t smoke tobacco or chew it you don’t use it for the the nicotine addiction moment,
marijuana to be much the same way we’re like medical use for for pain is different than let’s go get high and and different dosing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:07] Now naturally on for unfortunately while the church clarified much of the Forbidden part of the word of wisdom nothing of this goes too many links to talk about Mormons you kind of like sugar too much maybe you should chill out on that maybe you should try.

Al Doan:
[27:21] You know why Jeff cuz nobody’s asking questions about.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:24] They should or we get the.

Al Doan:
[27:26] If you know what’s good for you neither will you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:28] Will get the diabetes when I want that.

Al Doan:
[27:31] We do I want to know about aspartame what about diet drinks with weird chemical sweeteners in them what about.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:37] I mean when you think about it like some like you tell where Swig or sodalicious are the suit the holes are the whole Mormon.

Al Doan:
[27:42] I would love if the church came out specifically and said you know what’s Against The Word of Wisdom switch,
that crappy establishment made of sugar cookies and soda is there any worse place I mean I would put them lower than like going to a bar that serves only hard,
Liquors this is this is unacceptable.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:06] Well I know one place that’s where Sal and you and I’ve been there together the home of moons over my hammy Denny’s ladies and gentlemen Denny’s,
is where business is done not Chili’s and I mention this because recently the a group of 40 lgbtq Mormons gathered at the Denny’s in Provo primarily by squeeze the the queer community.

Al Doan:
[28:28] We were in school there some 15 10-15 years wow and and even then that’s also where the game queer people gathered so why is this news on the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:40] Did you was this a thing where they among us when you and I would go to Denny’s at midnight.

Al Doan:
[28:44] Of course Denny’s is known as an American institution they have great milkshakes moons over my hammy and the All-Star Grand Slam breakfast All-Star is if you were if you were
looking for love is the right place not Denny’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:03] It is Al it is you can miss me anyway not a ton to say here but I think it’s good that these groups are meeting to build support one another obviously the one. It’s not a dumbass.

Al Doan:
[29:15] Look up historical like they got together for dinner they got to go to dinner.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:20] How do you think it’s easy to be out at BYU even with this sort of changing cultural climate I mean it’s still not an easy place to walk I think it’s good to be able to.

Al Doan:
[29:30] Are we writing an article when when a group of friends gets together at Kneaders Jeff,
no Denny’s 40 gay people at Denny’s that’s just that’s just you know there was a.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:43] Saturday night.

Al Doan:
[29:45] It’s a rubber there’s a there’s a great concert from Imagine Dragons and then everybody went after that to Denny’s and hung out and somebody took a photo this is not.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:55] I don’t know why they went two days with Burger Springs across the street about the bigger issue here.

Al Doan:
[30:00] Burger Supreme I’ve never been.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:02] You did not I know that you you jealously defend your experience in Hawaii but I don’t feel like but I don’t feel like you maximize your.

Al Doan:
[30:07] I went to BYU Provo for a semester just to be able to say authoritative Lee that it suck.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:12] The great thing is you only went there for his master’s you could qualify for the Ukraine trip.

Al Doan:
[30:23] Yeah and it is slated on me what you go to Hawaii for a semester that the fall semester end in the winter semester in Provo and I think everybody would agree you should never come back.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:34] Yeah it’s probably,
okay it was that one was fine I will go to the other kind of biggest story this week the church dropped new Abuse Prevention training.

Al Doan:
[30:46] And then the church Dropbox.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:48] The church has been in the habit of doing these Friday news dump switch is usually what you don’t do in media terms but I guess because we are a Sunday Focus organization to make sense to kind of build up for the weekend.

Al Doan:
[30:57] Or they just don’t they don’t want to I don’t want to talk about it so they like riding buddy V you get this any questions I’ll be reply to Monday.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:08] So anyway there is a big train that is going to its required training to protect youth from abuse and you get to go to the okay ready for this very long URL that we’re now protecting children. Church of Jesus Christ. Org,
that’s where you have to go,
to get there because we’re not lds.org anymore login with your church login because they’re tracking who completes it I think that’s the only reason they’re doing it they’re not trying to like pay wallet per se,
I just think it’s a way for me to get a metric about who’s actually the completing this training just have a record of.

Al Doan:
[31:42] Why you can’t put people in charge of kids that don’t know how to not harm them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:46] Yeah it’s a big list I mean it’s not just like people and you in the youth programs high counselor stick leadership you know Bishop Brooks everybody who’s involved with you and I actually did the training already the day it was announced it was pretty straight,
I never took the one for Boy Scouts from last year that I’ve heard a lot about since this happened this is this news.

Al Doan:
[32:04] Good or bad go to bed you hear good things.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:07] Training training,
but overall it went through some different scenarios as I do the big thing it stresses is a rule of Threes in on snot to be alone with
get with the kids not to have lengthy one-on-one conversations with kids it had an example of like a Fathers and Sons camp out or something where dad to son about to go to bed and wanted like his son’s buddies comes in and says hey can I sleep here in the tent with you and it’s like what do you do.

Al Doan:
[32:34] Say no get your own dang 10.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:36] Find your own father Jimmy.

Al Doan:
[32:38] But I don’t have a father I want to come with you now Jimmy go with the other orphans in their own tent I’m not going to be your phone.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:48] Exactly I’m glad you understand this weirdly it leads off with the video with narration from present Packer which I Need Is Timeless content but don’t you want to lean on some of the existing 12 or something.

Al Doan:
[32:59] Who would you have read their eighth president pack.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:01] Quentin L cook at everyone who listened to the show with no why would you even ask.

Al Doan:
[33:06] Obviously Quinn.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:08] Bothered by Ballard the two most dynamic men in the world,
I don’t like yours it like one says I hear an example sister Bramley is about to start her Sunday school class in class and there’s only one young woman present what should she do then they give you two options like go ahead with the class if they’re both the same gender or
combined with another class or invite another adult into the class for exam.

Al Doan:
[33:33] I feel I can buy with another classes the movie.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:35] That is the move that’s the correct move to do so there’s a number of examples that goes a lot more in the weeds and it talks more specifically about abuse and it’s been so much more time,
on all of that on that I’m talking about the forms of abuse that exist cuz it’s easier to think about abuse being like sexual or physical but is verbal abuse but there’s even abandonment is a form of abuse for exam.

Al Doan:
[33:55] When teaching a class do not betray children that’s fit that’s verbal abuse.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:01] Does it say that though cuz I got buried when I was young man usually cause mouthing off.

Al Doan:
[34:06] Like listening stupid little piece of garbage some of us read the scriptures and love Jesus on like Geoff openshaw.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:13] We had a youth leader once who did not like it if we make your mom jokes which in the 90s,
annoying 90s your mom jokes were everywhere and but like straight up one kid said it one time I’ma we were driving back from a bowling alley for an activity and he put he pulled his car the side of the road and open the door to get out,
just like kicks a kid out of his car in the middle of Anaheim and just leave them there the kid has to go find a pay phone call his mom.

Al Doan:
[34:42] Haha he says I was making as making mom.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:49] He said about this cuz you think so we thought we were being disrespectful towards you know towards mothers even if set that made no sense of directed you hear that in one go your mom heard it which isn’t even a diss on the Mom it’s just a thing that you get off.

Al Doan:
[35:01] Yeah it says your mom’s got really good hearing or she somehow with me when you are further away.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:07] That’s why it’s funny because everyone who knows my mom,
knows that my mom does not have.

Al Doan:
[35:12] No I think we’ve all got great memories of,
weird youth leaders it would get so ticked off for the weirdest reasons but now that I’m a grown up I’m like oh you’re battling your own kids all day and then you came here to a bunch of ungrateful,
the really I mean hated them I had very few leaders that I ever loved and appreciated most of them I thought were just awful,
and and and so that we’d spend two hours together and it was just a battle it was like if we could make them,
lose it we won some how and when they lost a real bad.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:47] I’m pretty sure my zenith was my it wasn’t youth leadership my freshman year my first year seminar or when they actually got her teacher to walk out on our class in frustration just left,
and I remember well that someone wrote on the board on the chalkboard like we’re sorry brother so and so I don’t know their names and my friend went up and erased his name after they did that if I’m not sorry I was awesome,
where are 14 you know it’s a great age for respectful discourse with young.

Al Doan:
[36:13] I remember our Cemetery we had we had a bunch of of kids that would like I would like to show up with it was early morning 7 or so they just wear sunglasses and pull their hoodies down and see,
they hated it that teachers hate that and then they’re always calling on you asking you to read.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:32] Hey let me ask you one thing the server light related to the kids stuff what have you made of the changes are doing with the FYI if you’ve been tracking that how it’s sort of gone it’s going away.

Al Doan:
[36:38] Yeah we’re now they are there just like steak one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:42] Let me kiss you. You were an efy counselor this is this is something.

Al Doan:
[36:44] 5 years I was liking the FYI All Star man I I am in the books I am a legend among them it a lot of the rules exist because I was a counselor there’s things like you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:55] This why we’re having training now.

Al Doan:
[36:59] Yeah I know that’s right that’s right the the pizza Gauntlet where you everybody gets a pizza box stands in line when you run your children through while everybody hits them,
you’re not allowed to do that anymore because I might have,
turned it in like pizza jousting where kids start getting knocked out there’s there’s a lot of this in I have a deep love for this program so the downsides to having it be what is it now like steak for youth or something sfyc.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:26] It’s for the stratus now for like for the strength of Youth.

Al Doan:
[37:29] Fsy I forsake the other downside is like the counselor experience I think is going to be way worse because you don’t travel as much it’s not as in singing you don’t get paid this just a sneaky way for them to screw over the,
23 year old College,
got a positive know I love the idea of making it accessible for everybody to go like it it’s almost $400 which is pretty prohibit,
I mean if you if you come from like a lower-income family you’re screwed you don’t get to do it at all and that any of you if you have three kids going I mean that’s like a significant sum that you have to Fork out for Jesus camp,
and so I really like I like the accessibility side of it I think I think it will continue to be a great program and I love the the idea that that everybody gets participate in it,
from a from a you know horny 23 year old trying to find marriage amongst the various programs and other counselors very very tough blow I mean we’ve all been dealt this blow and I felt it even as a married man
X alarm of efy I mean I know how hard this must be in them this bad,
the other stories so all of your let’s see you throw away one’s the Lisbon Portugal.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:48] You’ve been to Lisbon Portugal so that should not be thrown away.

Al Doan:
[38:50] As an open house now the prodigal son is on the Video Vault apparently you’re watching old movies since I left.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:58] Latter-Day Saint Video Vault is a delightful weekly place did you actually know that you know the prodigal somebody I mean actually I genuinely.

Al Doan:
[39:04] Of course I was the good son I was a good son.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:08] I’ve always liked that what’s a longer Riff on the story one thing I didn’t know is that it was the it was a bit different with the way they develop,
originally is for the production cuz previously that kind of list of directors on this field and who made it but instead is this was released in 1990 via the church satellite system in the open house is on display and
tune in Anchorage people invite friends and neighbors to come see the new film,
it even had an introduction by the president of the 12 Howard W Hunter basically it was kind of represent a bit of a different approach for the church to engage in in order to
charger fellowshipping an Outreach and all that sort of stuff.

Al Doan:
[39:46] What was the other one that did that was that was very close that it was,
where they they had the dad and his rocking is baby in the in the nursery and I want to say like not Man’s Search for happiness Plan of Salvation one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:04] Is it on the way home a labor of love.

Al Doan:
[40:09] No maybe maybe do some of those videos are classic man and then remember when they had all the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:15] Labor of Love Is that woman the missionary sits next to the guy on his flight back.

Al Doan:
[40:18] Yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:19] My favorite thing about that is he tells his lengthy story and he’s flying from Colorado back to Utah he talks about his mission in Colorado so he has his 35-minute plane flight to Salt Lake City and get everything done so beautiful,
and the way that guy with the Jheri curl looks back at him after he gives me his.

Al Doan:
[40:37] What were the what were the all the movies we used to get there were like they were like you can do it Ben Wagner I know you can and there’s just like the family movies.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:48] I don’t know what you’re talkin about I just watched cable.

Al Doan:
[40:50] They came from the same the same group that did like Living Scriptures.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:53] Which is the Living Scriptures that to me.

Al Doan:
[40:56] What was the what was there like secular arm where was just like feel good movies on our way home was was one from there that’s what made me think of.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:05] On the way home is church produce.

Al Doan:
[41:08] I meant there’s so there’s so many great ones feature films for families that’s it feature films for families.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:13] FFF they’re not out of business like that in.

Al Doan:
[41:18] They made it by making their own contents of stealing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:21] Vidangel has lots of Comedy,
they haven’t been sued by Netflix or Amazon so all the trouble they’ve had has been about like the old lawsuit from the old model they had before they went to the streaming.

Al Doan:
[41:34] Then they lost their 60 million what do you do other stuff couple gets married after meeting on a online dating app what the crap did you think was going to happen why,
who is there no editors in this day and age if I leave for two years and I come back in this garbage.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:55] The beauty is the beauty of this is covered by.

Al Doan:
[41:57] Iman hariri-kia and Hannah orenstein this is a three-person Duo to pull this off.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:04] The dude is no Elite Daily like can’t believe that this happened because it’s not a Mormon publication they’re just like what.

Al Doan:
[42:11] Even outside of the Mormons.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:13] Mutual.

Al Doan:
[42:14] Still get married after 4 months did you ever see Dharma and Greg I mean summer and Greg were Pioneers in the Mormon world.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:23] You are a fascinating person when you want to talk about weird late 90s sitcoms that ran for like three seas.

Al Doan:
[42:29] Remember they got that they had met and got married the day they met in NJ Elite Daily is writing about Mormons.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:36] Liberty Mutual did you ever use the Mutual app has been around before you got married.

Al Doan:
[42:40] No I was before that I mean it was out but I wasn’t.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:43] It’s much more you know it’s it’s the thing now I’ve I have I perused it well you know my my my.

Al Doan:
[42:48] You’ve been on it no have you really did you do it with Danielle does she know or would it be a surprise her if I said I saw your husband on a dating app.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:57] All three of us were looking at we’re looking at with my sister wants who was on it cuz that what I like we’re curious not tender and we got married before me that’s what happened so.

Al Doan:
[43:05] Tinder was a mine but I remember sitting in the table is a bunch of buddies in in Ireland they were like wait what you just swipe to open it up and I’m like look,
I’m in Ireland I know no one swipe they want to go on a date swipe they want to go out a day they’re like
it was a mind blow to them and to you you got married free dating app.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:30] Are you at well for before those yeah we were married before tender dropped and mutual just Tinder specifically for Mormon to make the same idea.

Al Doan:
[43:39] My mom bought me a subscription to eHarmony one time when I turned I think I turned 30.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:44] What a great gift silver right when you became a a menace to society she was like.

Al Doan:
[43:51] I know she was she was like she she didn’t believe anything I said just try it you never know made.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:59] Does it make you happy even though meeting online is not taboo anymore you met your wife organically shall we say right you better Amanda I met your wife.

Al Doan:
[44:08] This was this was a strategy my my therapist gave me she said listen to delete all the apps,
who do you want to meet where they going to be so she she was like it she was like well one she’s like when you go to the store,
ask for a girl’s butt like try and pick up on women because what you do is you just stare at them awkwardly and I was like that’s good feedback thank you that’s very hot,
instead I’ll go and talk to them ask them their name and something witty about them and then if it,
if they respond faster than the other things you said is like go find things where women will be and do them so I took like a sushi-making class at Parma.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:48] Bridal fairs.

Al Doan:
[44:49] And I would I would go to yoga and set you know like you start doing some of these things where you can just like meet people in the wild because my world has gotten very like I work,
and then I go eat dinner and I ate dinner with buddies and I work alone until like that was my whole world it was like,
Domino’s, it was a it was a little stretch to get out and be around new people all the time because that was the goes if you haven’t already found the person you’re going to marry like go meet new,
and it’s like I did that but it was delivered in the midst of the dating app frenzy where we just went and found some things and I got was actively trying to,
introduce myself to women who was a lot of the have you met Ted sort of rhetoric and I have like I’m happy but honestly I wouldn’t be embarrassed if one of the apps would have worked out like I don’t think that there’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:39] No no there’s no shame but are you yourself just like happier that you met your wife via traditional means just for you I’m not judging anybody.

Al Doan:
[45:46] I’m not I’m not happy that I met her in the traditional Means versus a nap I’m happy I’m happy that I met her because like I had to build
like the happiness comes from building all the tools and like and like putting myself out there facing rejection and it paying off like that was the most.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:02] We knew she was the one when I got to play laser tag with just the three of us and we,
Maytag I open up the Play this is the one we’ve been waiting for.

Al Doan:
[46:16] I got a good one man I got a real,
as did you we got good white I mean we were worried that if you listen to beginning of this episode of this this show there is probably 6 years where we are both just bemoaning the fact.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:30] Okay it’s not that long but yeah I’ve been married for far more of the show’s production that I have not which is weird to me at this point.

Al Doan:
[46:38] Yeah that is weird because it was all a ploy just to help me women.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:41] I know I just need to listen to the shower care so who go figure irony of ironies.

Al Doan:
[46:45] I had a I had a few dates come out of the show thank you ladies.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:49] Straight updates okay I don’t.

Al Doan:
[46:52] It was always weird cuz they knew so much about me they be like what about that thing that happened 3 years ago and I’m like who told you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:01] They give you a taste of Fame and then you said man I should have applied for 67 days in Orlando then I’ll be really famous.

Al Doan:
[47:07] I hate you I’ve always hated you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:10] I’m not like that video on Allo,
10 years so interesting news this week and in some ways we questioned why it is news so we’ll get to the so Ed smart the father of Elizabeth Smart who in 2002 and it was made national headlines.

Al Doan:
[47:26] Sure the smarts we call them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:28] The smart LED smart was sort of the family spokesman during that whole entire time and Elizabeth has gone on in because he work this past week came out as gay initially was in a private life.

Al Doan:
[47:42] Stop the presses.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:43] It was a.

Al Doan:
[47:44] Rewind that we got to print this story and get this man to dinner.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:49] Yes it was a originally a private post to friends and family on Facebook but then medium Ash to pick it up desert.

Al Doan:
[47:58] Why do they not leave it private this is The Soul Man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:00] Seriously Deseret News of all the outlets broke the story you think this would be more of a salacious thing that you know
kuer or the trip would try to jump onto their all reporting from the Deseret News since that time he is,
just published the letter himself but what’s interesting is he’s not just coming out as gay and saying I’m a gay Latter Day Saint twerking to make it work he said nope I’m divorcing my wife and I also don’t see a place for myself,
in the church which is a bummer because I feel I just feel sad that he doesn’t feel like he can belong.

Al Doan:
[48:35] There is that there’s also like I don’t know,
yeah it’s it’s a it’s a birth is the outcome but like when when your what is he a hundred years old this man,
and he comes out as as gay and the decision or the outcome of that is is I need to leave my wife,
and and leave this church right like the church is actually fairly accommodating for I feel like for a 67 year-old game and I feel like I could be a fun place to be or are you just find a good roommate,
the Via like I mean.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:17] If there were a hell Al you would be anyway.

Al Doan:
[49:35] Just doesn’t support what I’m trying to do it’s his life salad and and you know I’m going to leave it like I feel like that’s a different conversation then hey guess what,
church I’m not even going to give you a shot supporting me as a gay man I’m out of here and I’m leaving my wife to and here’s here’s what it’s going to look like I’m God like,
I don’t I don’t I don’t feel like this is all on the church right I don’t feel like I don’t have the same reaction him I’m sad that he doesn’t feel like he has a place here,
W. I mean is it’s not like it came out he’s like man I’ve been trying to make it work and it didn’t work and came out and was like all right I’m headed I’m headed to Denny’s,
and I and you guys I’ve already know enough about how you treat gay people I’m I’m out of here not even get in we’re not even going to try this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:43] Yeah I guess I could say that but I don’t know what his actual full internal struggle has been.

Al Doan:
[50:47] None of us do none of us do,
in fact the Des renew certainly does not it should be his own butt but I mean I don’t read this is the thing where it’s like a wee wee is the church should have tried or like,
why doesn’t he feel welcome here I don’t think there’s any way we could have structured it where he would feel welcome here and and want to conceive you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:09] There maybe could have been I don’t know not now what do we make though I feel like the trip in particular has really been going on the store and to me it’s Crossing to a place where I think they’re just trying to like get the just ride the Sao train and just get more.

Al Doan:
[51:23] That sounds like the trip yeah is a Peggy Fletcher stack and then she.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:30] What’s the number I mean let’s let’s do a quick look Salt Lake Tribune Ed smart let’s look at how many articles can be have so far okay,
straight up there is there’s top stories there’s three alone already that’s why I talked about his decision and the wake of its what’s coming out here at the steps the LDS church can take to keep its lgbtq members.

Al Doan:
[52:09] I mean he missed he missed the best years of his gay life has been.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:14] That’s the important takeaway Isle good job.

Al Doan:
[52:16] This man is waited too long,
I don’t know I’ve never been.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:21] Anyway I think.

Al Doan:
[52:22] Gay aura or old and so I don’t know how this works but it seems to me a little a little bit contrived for Deseret News.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:31] That’s very bad things Pub they just kind of published the one thing it is a trip to his run with it and run.

Al Doan:
[52:36] Do not make excuses.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:37] I will make excuses to.

Al Doan:
[52:40] Alright won’t in our next our next great one there was an interview with Colby Ferrin the Eminem of Mormon.
and he is real.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:55] Yeah he’s he’s a rapper you might remember him a few years ago he did something is called like middle class,
is there something like that you know but he’s got a new album out but our own Jeff’s Jeff’s at.

Al Doan:
[53:10] He done and it has he done an intro song for us then why are we talk.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:13] Maybe we should go to do one look at the before and after mission.

Al Doan:
[53:16] Yo the original look at the one oh yeah,
I like his beard and all of his videos,
this is really white I mean he’s very Eminem Ash but without without the The Angst the the album is the bubble blasting off.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:41] The office just called the bubble.

Al Doan:
[53:45] No the song is the bubble is track 1 track 2 blasting,
I think we all know what he’s rapping about their number three is Mister Frost I’m assuming drugs number for is Happy song I’m assuming drugs,
number 5 is new me I’m assuming coming back to church number six is Wonder the great Arrested Development reference,
number seven is trihard it’s about a struggle with masturbation and number 8 is Starts Now I still don’t listen to that album.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:14] Now I know you’re having fun with this,
I will say there’s a using your flight counselor and I like this one story that he did with our TV with Jeff borders reset if he was me if I cancel there was a week for the session directors want to play one of my songs to dance at her house before and a couple of the kids,
do you wrap and they wanted to do it so the session directors were told in order to play any song of my they had to get it approved by one of the head administrators of all of efy so they call him up to explain the situation he has the song is clean it appropriate that said yeah that’s fine
but then the he asked what genre,
is the song and he said it was rap and it without taking time to listen to the song himself you just cut it off and said sorry we avoid rap,
Kobe makes a good Poise I just like that The Stereotype of Mormons being a verse to rap,
was reinforced it continues to confirm and kids Minds that rap inherently is bad music and you should know.

[55:14] What you advised this was profane.

Al Doan:
[55:17] No very profound and delightful to listen to rap rap is just can be very entertaining at times especially when sung by a competent powerful black woman names list.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:27] Now what about if rap is like is clean what if it’s the Brian Regan of rap do feel like Mormons just give rap a bad rap l I said that.

Al Doan:
[55:38] I don’t think Mormons are avoiding rap I think efy counselors.

[55:49] Pardon if I administrators I don’t think anybody else on the planet is avoiding rap for the sake of RAM,
I think some people like the genre some people don’t and then some people some people some people are into it some people aren’t like that’s all I see here.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:08] Alright well I’m going to take you to what I think will be our final story today,
now I can’t verify that this intimate actually happened but I can verify the Tweet itself is real and not doctored up so,
so I got but so here’s the quote someone just told me they couldn’t talk to me because I still said the
Emma word Mormon and yes if you’re wondering that word is Mormon and yes she really bleeped it out like that calling at the m word,
so we are a year removed from the first utterances by President Nelson of this whole don’t Mormon it up thing,
and and I am,
not surprised but perhaps baffled that someone would say I can’t talk to you because you’re saying the n-word and to call it the m word I’m assuming this happened in Utah because I assume bad things of Utah,
Al your thoughts on this.

Al Doan:
[57:04] Died I I think I think the the name of the church,
is a I’m glad we’ve got it fixed on all the documents what we call ourselves and I’m not stressing about I was excited that we’re all here following Christ I mean that’s really my emphasis if I can just have one point of focus,
that’s what it would be paid no Credence to the people that try and correct me tell me I’m doing it wrong,
I like I like trying to remember to call myself a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a good sort of,
thing to go through when I’m trying to talk fast I still say Mormon.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:47] Okay so do I.

Al Doan:
[57:50] It is not a profane word people it is not.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:54] No sir all right good deal unless.

Al Doan:
[57:57] What are your thoughts on a jet.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:00] No I’ve I’ve spoken my peace on this so many times I just think it’s if that is true of that story is true that’s just it’s so absurd and then we could get.

Al Doan:
[58:10] You not theirs there’s nothing Karen’s in Utah that that story is obvious.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:15] That’s true I mean we can get in the Weeds on and talk about how you know like we want to stress the name of the church so don’t call it the Mormon church,
but the people of that church I know president Nelson is encouraged us to be more long form with how we explain it but sometimes you just do not have the time to say yeah I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I believe in the restored gospel,
or just say I’m a Mormon and it’s so you know a lot easier but that’s all I’m saying we’re getting there it’s a new thing for everybody but it’s like that it’s like anything else if you meet somebody and they say,
oh I don’t like to go to the temple because I like to drink my Frappuccino I mean,
I do castigate that person and not another soul.

Al Doan:
[59:03] How dare you with the Chino with the Chino again.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:06] I do not associate with that person know you just it’s okay is aggravating just wait a whole lesson this past Sunday everybody if you were in your Sunday school big section of Romans about not judging so,
maybe we should all remember that it’s for those who want to golf.

Al Doan:
[59:23] Amen amen Jeff is great to be back.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:26] It’s wonderful to have you well I hope you’ll come back again sometime.

Al Doan:
[59:29] I’ll never see you again.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:31] Intentionally true,
potentially true I’ll before we sign off I want to encourage all of you to go to this week in Mormons. Come where you can see this and other written content that we have,
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Al Doan:
[1:00:00] It feels like the herlihy boy house-sitting sir.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:04] I just don’t know why this is so hard for you people I see the step.

Al Doan:
[1:00:07] Let me let me read the review.

[1:00:13] Just leave the man I’m review.

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Al Doan:
[1:00:25] Yeah Jeff will keep all of it and never pay the bills that I have to pay this is how.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:29] You’ve never this is how it works when you disappeared and said I want out and I said.

Al Doan:
[1:00:32] But I did the server.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:35] As we split our Assets in the divorce that’s what you got to keep that responsibility.

Al Doan:
[1:00:38] I get that bill.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:40] There we go but we thank you all very much for spending some time with us next me to TuneIn always we hope you’ll share to him with your friends and loved ones yada yada yada,
this out never would be well be holy and be happy.