This Week in Mormons Episode #437 - Guns at Church

Editor’s Note: At one point in the episode, Geoff accidentally says “Toledo” when referring to the mass shooting in Dayton. We regret the error and any unintentional insensitivity that may have caused.

Josie Gleave joins us from the other side of the world to bring her international perspective on the week’s happenings. And, boy, what a week for having some of that non-American perspective on the news.

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Alright, on to the news. The Church announced a few new name changes as we move to a post-“Mormon” future. This time around, LDS Charities and LDS Family Services have been renamed Latter-day Saint Charities and just Family Services, respectively. The latter is perhaps the most confusing. Why no “Latter-day Saints” to identify it among a sea of faith-based family services organizations? It makes no sense.

Keeping with that theme, Jana Riess adroitly analyzed Google Trends to see if there’s been any change in web search traffic for “Mormon” and “Latter-day Saints” in the past year. The results aren’t altogether shocking, but it’s interesting to see trends, however small, develop.

President Nelson is on one of them that world ministry tours again, this time hitting Latin America. Aside from a Deseret News article that is strangely concerned with how many miles he’s traveling, it’s cool to see the prophet bring his personal touch to the region. Josie wonders why the prophet doesn’t stay longer and what the value is in these quick stops, but the Church news mentions President Nelson’s personal need to visit the saints in person as best as he’s able.

Our other big story is the one that divide us no matter how much we say “Follow the Prophet.” Recently, the Church quietly updated Handbook 2 to expressly forbid firearms within meetinghouses and other places of worship. We broke the story over the weekend and the rest of the media picked up on it a few days later. Gun rights hit close to home for many, and it’s been pretty surprising to see how many faithful Latter-day Saints are flatly refusing to abide by this regulation. It’s interesting how choosy we can all be when it comes to selective obedience. Also, hat tip to the Salt Lake Tribune for quoting Geoff’s article!

How about that Mike Pence, eh? The vice president of the United States visited with a few of the Church’s apostles in Salt Lake City. They spoke of things one might expect: family, religious freedom, fry sauce. Curiously, Elder Rasband said something that seems way too political, and Josie isn’t pleased.

International news! Due to accelerated growth in Africa, the Church has created a new Central Africa administrative region, broken off from Southern Africa. Its offices will be in Nairobi.

Latter-day Saint women in Ontario, Canada record incarcerated women reading books to their children and grandchildren. The big story here is that, yes, Canada has crime. And prisons.

Ecumenism! The Australian high commissioner to New Zealand met with a number of religious leaders, including ours. An interfaith gathering of Christians in Bengaluru, India included representatives from the Church. (President Nelson announced a temple in Bengaluru last year.) In Austria, representatives from the Church’s Austrian Council met with Islamic leaders in the Alpine state. And there’s a new video highlighting diversity among the Saints in Australia. Check it out below.

President Oaks gave some benign advice to married couples in the hellscape of Blackfoot, Idaho. What’s weirder might have been both the Idaho Statesmen’s rambling coverage of the event, but also some remarks about LGBT individuals by an accompanying member of the Seventy.

A stake president from Utah was in Tennessee where he was caught peeping in a women’s dressing room at a Nashville H&M clothing retailer. He has since been released and arrested.

Some jerk stole a missionary’s bag from his family’s car while they had lunch before heading to the Missionary Training Center.

Transcript

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:00] Welcome everybody once again here we are this weekend more we are here bringing you the latest in Latter Day Saints news and commentary
I’m delighted to be here my name is Geoff openshaw please visit us at this week in Mormons. Constance grab the show however you get Podcast and leave us a review if you like what you hear like on iTunes or however else,
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how about me on Spotify And subscribe that way if you’re into it yada yada yada I would like to welcome once again to the studio none other than Josefina gloves.

Josie Gleave:
[0:37] Oh oh this is a nice spin you know I’m not a Josephine.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:45] No I know you’re Jocelyn.

Josie Gleave:
[0:46] Okay good on you how you doing Geoff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:51] I take the time to know to love and know the.

Josie Gleave:
[0:53] It is appreciated.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:56] I’m well little tired kids are crazy I know many of our listeners are parents and every now and then you just have one of those nights when tonight it was a dinner we just wound up getting its serve too late there’s a window,
the kids are used to based on how you like
groom’s that basically when you can have dinner and it’s going to be fine if you get out of the lane on that and then still do dinner your chances of success diminish substantially and that is what we face tonight.

Josie Gleave:
[1:24] So is it like they do they not want to eat or they just like ravenous and they’re super hungry.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:31] No that will they get emotional because they’re hungry or do they get hangry basic,
and then they cross the line and don’t want to eat anything.

Josie Gleave:
[1:38] Oh

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:39] My four-year-old was freaking out about his burrito because he saw it has rice in it he’s eating burritos with rice I don’t even know how many times but tonight it was like,
could not having a complete episode about it and on top of that he likes to eat everything with ketchup ketchup for his burrito and that’s what he likes.

Josie Gleave:
[2:01] I know what are you raising.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:06] Little rice granules got in the ketchup and that just sent him.

Josie Gleave:
[2:10] Oh no.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:11] Is like there is something in the catch up and he just,
he just deacon do it the kids had a hard time today,
even when I was putting him to bed he just started crying for no reason and I was like dude what’s going on is like I don’t know.

Josie Gleave:
[2:29] Those little tough topic.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:34] Usually I have a pretty good kids but every now and then you just have an off night and that’s what happened tonight but otherwise.

Josie Gleave:
[2:39] Major meltdown.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:41] Otherwise everything here is just absolutely Splendid you know had a nice weekend.

Josie Gleave:
[2:47] Living in Paradise over there so when rice gets in your ketchup what do you do over the weekend.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:54] Another crazy do we ever do anything crazy.

Josie Gleave:
[2:55] Okay I don’t know you said it was really nice so I thought a stroll in the park.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:59] Well it was nice the weather was good I mean Sunday Sunday Sunday night I went on a walk with the boys to the lake and our development and we,
we said the turtles and the fish that are in the lake and hung out,
Virginia to be nice nice in the back end of summer cuz the weather isn’t as oppressive so we’re kind of coming out of it slowly and that’s nice.

Josie Gleave:
[3:20] Yeah go ahead and talk to me about humidity.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:23] I would like to it we have it here and I imagine it Rivals Singapore greatly.

Josie Gleave:
[3:28] I’m sorry where is Virginia in relation to the equator and then check Singapore compare notes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:37] I believe they are equidistant from the their respective equator is the multiple equator that we have on this planet.

Josie Gleave:
[3:47] Maybe you want to check the map again I’m just alright.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:54] A lot of geography in college I know.

Josie Gleave:
[3:56] I believe that losing losing a bit of faith.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:02] Stuff was good in your church was nice on Sunday we had a good lesson based on person irons talk from the priesthood session last conference about sustaining leaders and it actually led to a pretty interesting discussion amongst the Brethren about like what
what I really meant to sustain especially if you were to what it means when your standing when we like raise our hand and sustain somebody
because there were many who assume that you know it’s a done deal when someone’s called to something I’m sure you’ve all heard the snow with a done deal you’re called to it isn’t doesn’t matter how we vote quote on quote,
we’re just kind of there to give it a thumbs up and say cool cool but it does actually say in the guidelines if someone were presented and the people,
overwhelmingly oppose the motion,
then that person should not serve in that capacity now the difference is the people do not nominate someone to replace them that is done via Revelation that is done through the Lord but if for some reason the people are just like completely against it,
it is assumed that that person cannot serve them,
effectively so that’s what you think because we’re not like a democracy per se but the voting ailment does matter if you were interested conference and for some reason the majority of your steak raise their hand to oppose the sustaining of the stake president,
that the area seventy visiting would have a busy afternoon basically,
Salt Lake and see what was going on how was your weekend and how’s things going.

Josie Gleave:
[5:31] Well we had State conference and our state did not get reorganized again so it’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:39] Let’s go to cuz it just did that like a year ago.

Josie Gleave:
[5:42] Well it’s just,
it’s the second time since our state president has been serving that the state has been reorganized so I think the people here in the state kind of feel,
like they do when President Nelson gets up and it’s sort of like who what’s happening now and then actually nothing really happened to this time.

[6:05] So it was okay yeah just some nice talks not a whole lot to report on with,
yeah not a whole lot of Singapore news most of what they’re doing in the church I know most of what we’ve got going on this year it’s just a series of events cuz we’re celebrating
Singapore the church in Singapore for its 50 year anniversary so they have like,
concerts it is cool yet so they had like a Pioneer Day where they had a lot of the,
I’m not like a obviously not a Utah Pioneer day but I’m people who remembered you know being in the church when it first started,
started off here and basically a kind of Iowa I wasn’t actually able to attend this but it sounded kind of like a
get together and listen to the oldies chat about to the olden days which actually I think would have been quite cool to hear about what,
Singapore has changed so much you know even in like a decade so it would have been actually very interesting to hear about what it was like 50 years ago for them and hearing about the church cuz it is essentially.

[7:15] Initially I think some expats who came over brought the church along and then some missionaries were obviously eventually able to come and then now we’re at where we are today I mean damn few more bumps in the road since then but,
here we are and it’s it’s working.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:33] Singapore eunos a multi-ethnic country multi-religious country of the church membership what would you say the ethno-linguistic makeup kind of is for the church in Singapore.

Josie Gleave:
[7:44] Yeah I’ve been trying to figure this out cuz there is definitely a lot of expats but I also think that what I see in my ward is a little bit skewed because when you’re closer to the city then you’re going to have,
more expats than you would say outside in like Geron to the,
West or out towards like Changi the airport towards the east that sort of thing,
so State conference I actually think was a much better blend where sometimes in our in my word it almost kind of feels 50/50 that’s probably not like actually accurate but sometimes this is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:22] Fifty-fifty water what’s the.

Josie Gleave:
[8:24] Like of expats in the native Singapore it’s usually like Chinese or Malaysian to sent but then like our Bishop he’s Filipino there there is a.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:36] Presidents French or something isn’t it.

Josie Gleave:
[8:38] Yeah yes or stake president correct he’s French family friend of ours which is also probably why I sat on the,
a little bit further back cuz he is attempting to call and people at stake conference so I was like hello Jean-Luc I did my little Bunch step back a little bit,
so it is a good mix I would say that
oh there’s there is
we only have one word that’s not specifically like an English word everything else has been mixed together that was one of the original changes that our president had done but we do still have I think it’s a call log Ward I should double-check this
and for specifically for helpers usually predominately Filipino,
yeah and they say yeah and they were our choir actually it’s a conference and it was delightful so we had a good time.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:43] So you’re living it up good things are happening.

Josie Gleave:
[9:47] Trying to anyways.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:50] Well well good this is a great show I’m glad we’re all here today to learn about this Sunday.

Josie Gleave:
[9:57] To talk about our talk about our lives at stake conference.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:59] I was always a little bit of it I mean I don’t have much more to add on the fun on my life front cuz you know I spent the weekend I went to the car dealership because of a recall in a fun things like that.
party on right that’s life that’s what we do that’s okay so,
interesting things that happened in the past week I think there’s number of going to small little stories but I think we have some cool heavy items to the will get to,
related to Latter-day Saints which which could be very interesting and we’ll see how we mix it up you know we we don’t plan out what we doing what everybody we just go with the flow.

Josie Gleave:
[10:33] Maybe we should.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:34] I will lead off with one of our bigger ones this week as the church continues it’s it’s not a Rebrand rebranding that we’ve been doing for the past year,
you know try to not say Mormon and such and stuff horse ALDS for that matter so it will continue that effort,
the church announced just a few days ago that it is changing the name of both LDS Charities and LDS Family Services to Latter-day Saint Charities and,
Family Services respectively,
and what I mean to say is Family Services has no identifier in front of it it’s just called family services like it’s the one,
it’s the family services for the whole world.

Josie Gleave:
[11:14] The one and only.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:16] Some of my I have some contacts that have work,
that Family Services have and do work and in general there’s kind of an eye-roll about this internally it seems that’s anecdotal but that’s what I’ve been told I don’t mind I don’t get it,
I’m okay with all the,
name changing stuff like why not call it Latter Day Saints Family Services I don’t understand why you wouldn’t do that unless your reach broadening out to serve the whole Community but the church I don’t think is still doing that I think Family Services is still primarily reserved for,
Latter Day Saints even though of course others can use it but I don’t think it’s being pitched that way you were raising your hand.

Josie Gleave:
[11:55] Yeah this is my thinking face.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:59] Where to order.

Josie Gleave:
[12:00] I something to say which is that I felt the whole point of this name change was to not be identified either by LDS or by Latter Day Saints because
the important part was,
the Church of Jesus Christ so why are we going with Latter Day Saint Charities that one’s okay and then obviously just nothing really,
to identify on Family Services isn’t that still kind of missing the point.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:29] I would agree.

Josie Gleave:
[12:30] Earth Kratom capsule in here so I’m I’m kind of with your
anecdote on the I roll I feel like we talked about this when it first happened and I was initially oh I’m skeptical
but then I could see where the Prophet was coming from now I’m kind of just back to being skeptical on this but there I feel like there’s already a very clear divide of people saying,
you know I’m almost at being like another one of those things to,
not attack but like being a little bit judgmental on someone it’s like they said Mormon things aren’t going well for them versus I slipped and I said Mormon or I said LDS or I didn’t,
say Latter Day Saint Charities I don’t know it’s just,
what are your thoughts Geoff I’m back to the skepticism on this whole Rebrand.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:22] Well I’m with you and it’s also it’s it’s no it’s funny that you mention it that way too because I think we’re going to get in some other stuff this week that the dovetails nicely with this concert.

Josie Gleave:
[13:31] Is this a generous article.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:33] No no no that was that was that too but I miss the general concept of you know what fall in line why aren’t you listening to the prophet the church has said that is so you know,
figure it out and do it and and yet we will discuss some other things in a little bit that are sort of the other side of that fit our kind of ironic and funny in a wet.

Josie Gleave:
[13:52] So is anyone outside of the church going to find us well I guess I guess you you wouldn’t find Family Services if you are outside the church cuz it’s pretty much only for church members already answered my.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:02] That’s true but if you only Google Family Services.

Josie Gleave:
[14:05] Are we ever going to come up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:07] We don’t rake anywhere at all at all at all at all.

Josie Gleave:
[14:13] Maybe we’re hoping for a little SEO Miracle like heavenly father is just going to tap someone on the shoulder a Google and say hey bump that up please that’s all I got cuz it’s not working right now.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:26] I mean that’s why you know you know where we’re kind of at war with sco anyway with all the changes we’ve been doing find the Lord wants this and I’m with you like I struggle in this way openly I do because,
the communications professional side of me that sees this and I’m just like.

Josie Gleave:
[14:43] We’re doing it wrong yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:44] Why why why why why why is all the or just seems weird it seems that we don’t fully develop these ideas before him but then the other side of me it is the strive to be a faithful Latter-day Saints,
hit myself in the head and says God,
for whatever reason president Nelson field this is what needs to be happening this is the will of the Lord this what we need to be doing so let’s like rally behind it and just support it,
and not pick it apart and I struggle and I struggle with that because I want to pick it apart I want to understand and,
and in some cases I feel like it is fair to wonder for consistency sick especially in this case why is it not Latter Day Saints Family Services everything else is Latter Day Saint something for the most part,
I mean a lot of other apps and things like that have been rebranded but those are different you know now if you look at the,
no gospel library or tools or the Music epic inspirational music and a lot of stuff.

Josie Gleave:
[15:39] Sorry,
I should be laughing I’m clearly look what I listen to the talks about it when I listen to president Nelson or the other on General Authority speak on this I’m like
yeah I feel it and that everyday it’s just the functionality of it that I kind of just cringe a bit and it’s just not working,
anyways I got to move off that soapbox we can move on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:11] No I don’t okay it is curious. I wonder how many things are left that will be.

Josie Gleave:
[16:16] I’m a little curious do you think that they kept the old demanes I feel like that’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:21] They’re all redirects now and I still have to type in lds.org when I need to go to the church website you think I’ve got the keystrokes to waste to type in Church of Jesus Christ. Org LCR when I need to do stuff for my calling no.

Josie Gleave:
[16:34] And yeah I don’t I don’t either.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:38] That they will forever own the original URL those are going to go anywhere,
ever ever get rid of them there is zero reason to do it will always be set up as a redirect for those who are searching and that will be
that boy since you were kind of interested in it so what would have named some of the apps by the way LDS tools is now called member tools the LDS media library is Gospel media LDS music is sacred music I’m sorry
the LDS sing-along app is called Sing Along hymn.

Josie Gleave:
[17:06] There’s a single on app what.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:08] Evidently,
Gospel Library does get to keep its name so congratulations and of course LDS seminary and Institute will also just remove LDS from their names that’s another quiet.

Josie Gleave:
[17:21] Seminary and Institute.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:22] I’ve no modifier hey Seminary.

Josie Gleave:
[17:23] We don’t need one of these were important enough.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:28] Going to say are you becoming a monk is that was going to get what’s going on here I don’t know but I do I do like in this whole thing to sing like I said we said in the article it’s like if your high school was just call High School,
I said where you go I go to high school.

Josie Gleave:
[17:43] High school then Chanel.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:45] Everyone’s high school was called high school at Howard you know I don’t weird stuff all around.

Josie Gleave:
[17:51] It’s a good point.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:52] You mentioned generous. I think that kind of place with this what what about the jet with the generous article.

Josie Gleave:
[17:57] She had a,
horrible headline now I’m trying to find it where did it go up there it is something about like how we were going one year later on the war on the word Mormon.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:10] Yats War.

Josie Gleave:
[18:12] The war but was actually more upset about the fact that like it’s not just a word it was a name I don’t know I was getting a bit pathetic about it,
so she basically just has a bunch of charts that I’m currently trying to pull up about like,
mostly like what people Google when they’re trying to find the church right and like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints full name was like
always at the bottom just crawling about like maybe one or two people were typing that in everything else was significantly more searching for Mormon and I don’t actually think that a whole lot of that is chain.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:53] Not much she says it’s changed a little bit.

Josie Gleave:
[18:56] Yeah but not by much I mean it sounds like again and I totally but between most people even in the church it’s just so much faster to just Google,
LDS or Mormon like what I’m searching for news for this you know I actually tried I made an effort I typed in the full name of the church and do you know what
not much was coming up when I had to go to Ashley search for news everything’s Mormon news so I think we got a little ways to go,
that’s all I got really from the article chart.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:29] No it’s a cool article I’m in the church uses Google Trends which you know analyzes all the Search terms I liked that she looked at Utah’s searching so used to be about from 2004 to the present 90% of the searches were for Mormon,
over Latter Day Saints for those 15 years but in the last year since president Nelson’s announcement that is shifted at least in Utah to only 72%
the 28% Mormons the Latter Day Saints so Utah is obviously Utah.

Josie Gleave:
[20:00] But I mean once again we’re still kind of coming back to the fact that like President Nelson didn’t really want to be known by Latter Day Saints either he was more along the lines of Light Church of Jesus Christ.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:11] He was but I think as far as the way to refer to the people they’re pretty okay with Latter-Day Saints even though the past have even said Mormons was okay like we can be Latter Day Saint.

Josie Gleave:
[20:21] Jimmy Latter Day Saints.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:23] But you definitely don’t want to call the church and this is where I get lost on this issue,
that is me being pedantic where I talk about what do we call the church and what do we call it adherents which are different people different things in different standards like don’t call the church the Mormon Church the LDS church the Latter-Day Saint Church,
Call It by its proper name the people that’s where it’s been a bit different or before the guidelines kind of always been about the church’s name what I just said but now we’re talking more about how the people refer to themselves so don’t say you’re a Mormon say your,
a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or as you did rightly say president Nelson has suggested the journalists actually refer to the church as the Church of Jesus Christ,
the Church of Jesus Christ or,
the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ which no journalist is going to do because that is assuming,
an analysis assuming an analysis or a truth the journalists would Embrace because it’s no journalist is going to say well it is true that this is the restored church so I will go with that.

Josie Gleave:
[21:28] Yeah and what’s is the official name.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:33] Which means we should clearly change the church’s name.

Josie Gleave:
[21:36] Change it again there we go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:39] We had some good listener feedback we actually had some good a listener feedback on this where was this we were talking about this couple of weeks ago let me know if search my inbox real quick.

Josie Gleave:
[21:49] It is kind of one of those things that keeps bringing back up that,
it’s one of those that sometimes I wonder are we getting a little too caught up in the what’s the name kind of a situation versus I don’t know,
Britain things.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:08] None of what we are.

Josie Gleave:
[22:09] Spreading blasphemy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:10] This was a great a great email from a listener a couple weeks ago from Mike I appreciate it Mike reaching out about this soap,
one day we talked about is,
you know the church is named as revealed in the doctor New Covenant you know later on they added Latter Day Saints all sorts of things and and part of that I believe it’s just legalese because we don’t own the trademark to just the Church of Jesus Christ,
. org,
I accidentally said the Hendrick Heights on that podcast by Louis the bickertonite switch I remembered but I just misspoke which is Alice Cooper The Rock star’s family he was raised that way but we even talked about we wondered why we call it ladder – underscore Day Saints,
and the main reason behind that is because the majority of church members of the time we’re British immigrants and that follows the British standards for English,
so when we had to differentiate ourselves Brigham Young adopted adopted the British convention for hyphenating the net hyphenating the name,
which is very interesting to me,
nothing else to differentiate ourselves from the string guys do fall of James Strang who said Latter-Day no – uppercase D but with the same shirt.

[23:22] So that’s why we have the lower kitchen we basically followed in Old Bridge Commission that we kept it around them because you know other reasons we don’t.

Josie Gleave:
[23:27] Yeah yeah I can see that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:29] Trademarks interesting stuff Folk.

Josie Gleave:
[23:32] Well clearly another profit along the way wasn’t quite willing or brave enough to attempt removing or doing anything to that – president Nelson’s been the only one brave enough to give this guy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:44] Ike have to wonder though helm.

Josie Gleave:
[23:46] And it’s working out swimmingly.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:49] I’ve actually heard from some internal source of the church has attempted a few times now to purchase the domain for the Church of Jesus Christ. Org from the bigger tonight’s cuz they own it and that church has not budged on the issue.

Josie Gleave:
[24:03] How much do they charge it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:04] I don’t know I don’t know,
at some point it’ll be enough because like we’ve seen the Community of Christ decide it would made Financial sense to part with historic sites like Aunt mil,
and I’m sure on that front to I guarantee to the church is in constant discussions if I like by the Kirtland Temple back and stuff like that,
they’re going to be honest anyway speaking of the Prophet president Nelson is on one of those those World Tour switch.

Josie Gleave:
[24:29] Victory lap kind of theme I love thee.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:31] Who sang in the west and mostly the Western Hemisphere.

Josie Gleave:
[24:36] Yes so he’s going where is he going he’s going to what he was he just in Guatemala.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:40] Guatemala call is is Justin or was right now as we speak so he’s in Guatemala Colombia Ecuador Argentina and Brazil.

Josie Gleave:
[24:49] Yeah beautiful so the thing that I don’t quite understand about this is he spending either he’s going to like five countries in 9 days it’s always 9 days.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:01] Is it always 9 days.

Josie Gleave:
[25:02] Well I think the one in the in asia-pacific was 9 days and he like,
almost only spends like one or two days maybe in each place and there’s so much flying around and there’s part of me that things wouldn’t it be easier on a,
elderly gentleman to like make make the trip but then stay a bit you know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:24] There’s no time for that man he’s an executive he’s got people to see.

Josie Gleave:
[25:27] Yeah but that’s why he’s going down there right is cuz he’s got people to see so why not like stay two days maybe even two and a half.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:39] Yeah it is funny.

Josie Gleave:
[25:41] Cover a little bit and see more people.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:44] It’s funny you mention that because what which one was it there there was an article,
one of these articles supporting this whole trip the author was really wrapped up and how many miles he’s flying,
yeah it’s the one at the Deseret News,
on their there us and World featured section but it really goes out of its way it’s like here’s what a ghost he’s going to go on a bunch of flight stolen 2900 miles then another 1100 mile flight 384 mile flight then 400,
4475 Mi away what who else does all this for 2 weeks before their 95th birthday I don’t know it was weird,
but I mean why he doesn’t there’s another article that can talk about this I mean the bottom line is,
it’s good like anyone in a leadership position does this mean you can’t stay for very long but you go when you go to rally the troops I mean that the Saints Guatemala got to enjoy the prophet speaking others almost 300,000 Latter Day Saints in Guatemala,
alone the two temples there and,
what was the last time you heard of any church leader or spending any kind of significant time in Guatemala not for a till like a temple dedication that’s why I think it’s cool.

Josie Gleave:
[26:56] Yeah yeah I think it’s great,
especially since I remember thinking like maybe sometime when I was a teenager something anyways years ago there was a point where I thought that,
we’ve kind of been told that general authorities weren’t going to travel as much as you hear this rumor is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:18] That was when you were a kid time to change then Josie your.

Josie Gleave:
[27:21] Well I just,
I’m just saying there was a thing where like they weren’t traveling as much except for as you say Temple dedications I’m because the impression was sort of like,
yeah we’re kind of older guys and like the church is big and so we’re just doing like General Conference sort of pain but I do feel like that’s changed and maybe that’s just another president Nelson thing maybe it was never actually a thing and I just heard a rumor,
but that’s a definite possibility but now I think it’s great.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:51] The person else is interested like it inventions with the first Ministry tour is they call it which is so evengelical sounding but I’ll get behind it,
is first one when he went to Europe he was in London or started in London
that last April of 2018 he explained his desire he said quote the Lord’s messages for everyone this is a global work whatever I’m comfortably situated in my home I’m in the wrong place I need to be where the people are
we need to bring them the message of the Savior cell,
you know what I think it’s great I don’t know when the last time was I saw profit travel around for the months and you couldn’t hear the later years but that’s wasn’t his Jam so this is what we do now anyways travels the possible is opening act,
and the wife of course let’s not forget the wife is always a featured player nowadays that’s good good stuff.

Josie Gleave:
[28:42] I think I like the most that as well that he’s just kind of coming back to the basics which I think was another one of our articles as well with what he spoke about in Guatemala basically like remember to pray guys
you know nothing nothing life-changing no more changing the name of that church no more like this in. On
the word of wisdom like no big surprises it’s just like hey guys as you say rally people together make them feel a bit United and just remember,
we are here to pray be good people say nice things etcetera you know being a decent human being and,
probably there’s some giving Comfort to people having a hard time along the way so I think it’s great,
it’s it’s isn’t that kind of with the whole Ministry thing was supposed to be about so good on you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:31] Exactly see you got to figure it out.

Josie Gleave:
[29:34] He’s got it,
dope I’m getting a wave I’m taking it away that lets you international news cuz that’s that’s my jam but we’ve already hit one of those which is,
president Nelson is out and about so we have as well the we mentioned this I think last month which was that the Africa areas were being divided that’s not a good way to,
describe is the actual Church District administration Affairs has been separated into African Central and the what was Yvonne just Africa South right so they just announced this is a,
quick little one they’ve just announced the area headquarters for the Central Area will be in Nairobi Kenya is this a surprise were you expecting it anywhere else I mean it is mostly just an admin.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:28] I could see it happening in other countries that are so I could see it being in the DRC perhaps but they speak more English and now in Kenya so maybe.

Josie Gleave:
[30:40] Yeah I don’t think anyone’s yeah that’s probably true anyways so there you go. Good job Nairobi,
Sonya there let’s see there was a little service project sort of thing actually is might be ongoing in Ontario some Canadian news for your people.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:03] Oh no.

Josie Gleave:
[31:04] Yes so there’s some LDS Mormon what I say there is some nice women I’m sorry for my gosh who are.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:15] People are going to take a series.

Josie Gleave:
[31:16] Oh man yeah so they’re going to the local prisons and recording women who are incarcerated there like them reading books to their children and their grandchildren,
I think this is a a larger charity or organization that does this but we’re getting involved with it so that there can be closer communication between someone who’s in prison with their kids,
good job people and then we have is kind of a slim is another slim month for international news let’s be honest we had a lot of like interface meetings.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:51] But you got like 7 articles LinkedIn that’s not slim Institute.

Josie Gleave:
[31:53] Well but I mean like they’re not there’s nothing like woo hoo big ones like we’re just about one step away from our bird watching one of New Zealand’s like let’s be honest it’s never it’s never that far off,
but I do like the interface meetings because I like seeing that internationally these are kind of always going on we just don’t think or hear about them so we had the Australian High Commissioner go to New Zealand meet with church leaders in Wellington,
and we had some Christian leaders get together in India where was this bengalaru.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:28] Bengaluru it’s where we’re going to have a temple whenever they.

Josie Gleave:
[32:30] Is it I didn’t know that maybe I miss that one,
so there you go they’re talking about common Christian beliefs and then,
and then we had one in Austria where two men from the Austrian Church Council of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cuz that’s not enough met with the Islamic religious community to discuss like
you know what they can do in their communities promote religious freedom that sort of thing and Geoff have you ever heard of what this like,
Austrian Church Council of the church is,
is this a thing because I like India kind of had something similar where they have the Indian Society of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints like what how is this a different,
body you normally know this Administration.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:20] I I don’t know this I usually try to ignore Austria because they’re not members of NATO.

Josie Gleave:
[33:25] Well I would love more European news so whoever is is there someone in like Lithuania or Estonia like there’s just there’s I want more Church news from other places that’s all.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:39] Okay I will I’ll try to get on the European beat for you as a Euro file I can try I can’t guarantee.

Josie Gleave:
[33:43] Can you all right well I mostly only had like French stuff covered for a while and a little bit in the UK but Eastern Europe I would love to hear what’s going on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:56] I remember I once learned a fun stat after crunching some numbers that the country of Malta had the highest number of Institute students per capita in Europe,
Malta I mean not the most overall multiple multiple itself only has like three hundred thousand people but the most per capita were in Malta,
so clearly a temple will be built in Valletta sometime sooner.

Josie Gleave:
[34:19] Yeah I’m expecting mama.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:21] Will serve Tunisia as well.

Josie Gleave:
[34:23] And then one last one we have a fun little video maybe we can link to this that the church made for Australia,
I’m not really sure why but just because and it was all about like diversity in Australia which was actually really just in Sydney so it’s got to find I saw some familiar faces but I was about,
it’s a nice little inspirational one kind of like our inspirational him no sacred him I am not on top of the names today.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:53] You’re going to be okay,
all right back on our leaders vice president Mike Pence Tim to Salt Lake City and that was some Latter-Day Saints Apostles and a member of the seventy,
oh what a fun time for everyone to be alive so.

Josie Gleave:
[35:10] This was a fun one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:12] You know,
anyway I think was acting so a rasband was there who who else was there I forget I’m looking at the ABC.

Josie Gleave:
[35:24] So eldorado’s band.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:26] Elder Ballard was there to another Ballard 90 now when did that happen,
Elder Ballard is 90 years old I miss this I just always think of him as being 84 just forever.

Josie Gleave:
[35:39] I think I really imagined an age.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:41] Useful he is 80,
they all met and also Jack and Gerard of the 70 was there an elder Gerard’s instincts I believe used to actually be a.

Josie Gleave:
[35:54] Is a lobbyist wasn’t he.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:55] Used to be a hardcore Bobby’s who’s the CEO of the American petroleum Institute.

Josie Gleave:
[36:00] Yep OS climate change.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:03] Over here my neck of the woods so I mean people have their feelings about the current Administration that even Latter Day Saints,
but this is what you do you know if the vice president’s coming through Utah you send your dignitaries to meet him and I
that’s what you do that’s a normal part of life right and that’s fine and so they met they talked about things I admit I didn’t adore Elder rasband comment that they talk
faith family and freedom that’s going to go over real well and Utah witch,
Timmy just felt like he was dabbling a bit too much and hey buddy this is how you win the state next time around.

Josie Gleave:
[36:37] But apparently they didn’t talk politics.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:39] Yeah that that in the funny thing about the Airing closely that is on a rasband is the token Democrat in the 12 and he’s the one who ordered such a thing so who knows who knows but I okay so we’re on the same page to thought I just thought that was a bit of a,
like okay I don’t know I need to be giving Nike Pro tips on how to make things go over well in Utah but.

Josie Gleave:
[36:57] Yeah it was sort of like here’s how it’ll work in Utah but we’re not talking politics.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:04] Yeah it’s a it’s a mix I mean you got Mike Pence the Evangelical and the Mormon leaders till they’re all,
but they stress how much they want to have missionaries go everywhere so I and they’re all about religious freedom like here is the charge vice president Pence,
get us to send missionaries to Yemen come on man.

Josie Gleave:
[37:24] There is also a bit where I loved that they Venezuela somehow come came up because well I mean.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:34] What a bunch of old white dudes get together in Salt Lake City how does.

Josie Gleave:
[37:38] How is Venezuela not going to come up,
yeah well I guess I don’t know I’m curious as to who brought it up but I’m imagining let’s say it was the church who brought it up because they’re concerned about the Saints and the people they’re obviously cuz they’re having a bit of a,
tough time in Venezuela at the moment but it just there wasn’t a whole lot that they kind of sad except that you know they discussed in Need for humanitarian Aid and assistance for refugees in this area,
I’m so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:10] Well they’ve got a lot of problems right now in Venezuela.

Josie Gleave:
[38:16] Feel like there are a lot of things that I want to say but I’m I am also going to knock.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:21] You are a private citizen you can say anything you want.

Josie Gleave:
[38:24] Yeah I love that there was one report that like noted that they did not include a prayer at the meeting gasp.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:36] Fix the beer whenever fight over who they’re praying to their like we pray.
you might be praying to Jesus cuz for some reason you think they’re all one person which makes no sense vice president Pence I would love it not to be diplomatic and have
Elder president Ballard to be like look I’m going to tell you what’s wrong with your belief system and explain it to you in a way that you understand why don’t we Chelsea doesn’t care he’s a urologist right but,
pentas hardcore Evangelical we should be Bible bashing him any settings,
showing what’s up I feel like that’s a missed opportunity why should we Embrace ecumenism and you know Kumbaya stuff when we can instead you know really good earlier,
all right now they’re quick mention here a stick president was in Tennessee where he was living in Tennessee or he was in Tennessee either way,
he was at the Opry Mills shopping center which is right by the Grand Ole Opry to Downtown Nashville and he was phone to film of woman in Rizal allegedly.

Josie Gleave:
[39:42] Oh that’s this one was in Tennessee.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:45] Oh yes.

Josie Gleave:
[39:47] Oh my bad sorry guys I sent you was Utah okay I did I miss that bit.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:53] Yeah he was he was just hanging out there and Dave he used his phone to be a little bit of a voyeur for a woman in the dressing room at an H&M this is H&M good loving this publicity this for the.

Josie Gleave:
[40:05] I have I have lots of,
lots of questions about this story for starters like it was so obviously the women who is recorded she’s the one who reported it but she also kind of confronted him about it so it sounds like one she thought he was a staff member which,
already I’m confused about,
too she she noticed the camera like being poked through the curtain like while she was changing and then kind of it sounds like she kind of chasing down and like watched or like made sure that he deleted it,
maybe that’s not quite accurate but that’s kind of the vibe that I was getting from the Articles was that she sort of confronted him and could confirm that there were pictures of her on his phone,
and then there’s also something about his wife being in there of like trying to like get her to calm down and like so sorry that’s going to happen again kind of a scene like what is this a family outing was going.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:01] That is the weirdest.

Josie Gleave:
[41:02] That’s the weirdest part like what is she doing,
yeah so he’s been removed from his church callings corrects but not necessarily,
I I haven’t heard anything about like additional church discipline.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:18] Well I went and we might not I mean we might.

Josie Gleave:
[41:19] Yeah they were probably much more at a point as like meeting law enforcement to come to take this one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:24] What she has when he was arrested,
at least I applaud the church taking Swift action on this I’ve seen so many instances of Dino bad things like this and they just kind of say we will take appropriate steps and just at this time that he said yeah he’s out and.

Josie Gleave:
[41:39] Yeah yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:41] I think that’s good I think that gives us faith in our Institution.

Josie Gleave:
[41:46] I loved one of the comments on the Facebook page which was like can I get a vote of thanks note removed on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:52] They should try to sustain him.

Josie Gleave:
[41:54] Put that into practice we’ll see what really goes down.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:59] Or I’m going to do another quick mention and then I’ll turn way over to you again Joe the ape or missionary was going,
to the MTC alright this wonderful young man who I believe his put his football career on pause,
was it the Chuck-A-Rama in Orem which was his first mistake and the defense of everybody else and.

Josie Gleave:
[42:21] Chuck-A-Rama.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:22] It’s a buffet that’s awful the face in general are bad because they’re not.

Josie Gleave:
[42:27] I’ve been away for too long clearly.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:29] Anyway but seriously the set so he was going there were going to Chuck-A-Rama then going to the empty to drop him off and while in the Chuck-A-Rama in Orem,
they were robbed and his luggage was stolen out of the family vehicle before going on his mission which is just sad,
I also want to use this as a moment to comment on one of our Facebook commenters and some people who while I’m not saying that if we we post something with the snarky voice it’s always funny per say I believe the caption said this is why,
there are no temples in Orem but two and Provo at provo’s the more righteous City where theft has never occurred clearly,
the people who comment and say things like there are temples in places with much higher crime levels in Orem Utah and they take everything very seriously and get into passionate arguments,
about how this is unfair to Orem or something but at risk of being guilty of libel,
I will stand by my words about the City of Orem you have no business pretending you are as righteous as Bravo.

Josie Gleave:
[43:36] Okay I have nothing to say about this like I don’t even think I can point out where I am on the map really I just don’t know you tell that well.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:44] It’s above / next to Provo yeah they’re Jason cities.

Josie Gleave:
[43:47] Oh oh they’re like Neighbors okay sorry sorry about your luck.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:54] If you’ve been to the if you’ve been to the University Mall that’s in Orem,
the Costco is in Orem come on.

Josie Gleave:
[44:03] I don’t know I’m sorry Jack you’re talking to the wrong person.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:06] All right whatever Continuum we’re 45 minutes into this shindig we haven’t even.

Josie Gleave:
[44:09] So we’re going to hit the the headliner which is there’s a new handbook to change that has slightly altered the language or round,
bringing Firearms to church or to meeting houses so now it instead of it saying that it was inappropriate it is now prohibited,
and Chaos ensues this is like obviously used to very specific Amendment.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:41] It seems that it seems.

Josie Gleave:
[44:42] I think that we have this problem anywhere else but,
bless anyone be confused don’t bring your gun to church.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:53] This is this is blowing up though.

Josie Gleave:
[44:56] Yes so I actually seen that,
and someone from Texas who tweeted that they had a like a specific like southwestern us which was mostly just Texas announcement like read from the pulpit on Sunday which was you know
confirming that do not bring them and but I think there’s also like a law in Texas where,
if you’re not able to like because you can’t conceal carry their so if you’re establishing a place which you cannot conceal carry then you have to also post sign.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:31] You have to provide notice yeah yeah so there’s an exam.

Josie Gleave:
[45:33] Just let everyone know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:34] There’s an exemption of the Texas law for religious places but you have to provide some kind of notice so rather than feel like a sign up on the chapel they encourage the leadership to read it and that provided the notice for the members nuts.

Josie Gleave:
[45:45] Oh okay so you don’t have to do the sign cuz I think a lot of people were like oh that’s just going to put a Target on her back everyone’s going to know there’s no guns there I’m like anyway.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:56] Yeah I mean I don’t know if there was some point but I believe that fulfills part of.

Josie Gleave:
[45:59] That’s the notice.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:00] By announcing it and saying like look here’s a new standard cuz usually something like this that’s just a minor,
revision seemingly so and handbook 2 is going to go without noticed but it’s been fasting for me to watch the reaction amongst Latter Day Saints.

Josie Gleave:
[46:16] So what have you saying.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:17] The past few days so we we want a story about this on Saturday and it blew up and I don’t want to like,
take all the credit or anything is not like this is something that we created per se but I didn’t see much in the way of the rest of the media pick up on it until today,
and so I think they I think this story that we wrote Because it I’ve seen the numbers it went pretty far,
it was all over the place I believe like they must have seen it from us obviously they’re not going to stay like Quote us because.

Josie Gleave:
[46:48] Geoff you should take credit this is the worst.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:50] Well I can take that what I’m saying.

Josie Gleave:
[46:52] Credit man you broke the news.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:54] What I’m saying is nobody has to give us credit for it because it’s just something it’s in the Church of handbook it’s not something that like we created firsthand and for which we are do credit but.

Josie Gleave:
[47:03] But you read the handbook clearly no one else did that’s what I’m trying to get out.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:06] Okay but is a quick Segway with that said though Peggy Fletcher stack or an article about it and we are quoted in Peggy Fletcher stack starter.

Josie Gleave:
[47:15] Yes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:17] About this which is pretty which as you know we we teased about PFS
and Kathy Stephenson but over there the very end it was pretty funny because I saw such published the article I was going to be like I thought to myself where’s my shout-out Peggy I did this and sure enough the last two paragraphs,
Manchester.

Josie Gleave:
[47:34] OC I’m sure she would have courted you if you had done the shout-out actually would have loved it if she done.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:40] Yeah so I thought that was actually kind of made my day I mean,
what’s your stock but I’m like it here we are man this week in Mormons getting name dropped in the Salt Lake Tribune and saying quote calling something inappropriate might have been enough for many to assume Firearms were verboten at church
openshaw wrote but the church obviously felt compelled to remove any ambiguity and firmly prohibit the weapons which it did.

Josie Gleave:
[48:05] Openshaw Road this is it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:09] So I don’t want to Pat myself on the back of this is I mean it’s cool for me but this is an interesting issue in general because so many comments I’d say the majority of them I see like on our Facebook wall for example one else where everyone’s just like no,
I’m not complying with this I’m still bringing my gun I saw one person, two said my gun was baptized with me yeah and I’m not trying to say that as.

Josie Gleave:
[48:32] But isn’t that wait like literally.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:35] No no I think they’re they’re saying like my gun is like a Sanctified vessel that is a part of me they’re not I don’t imagine the church would be okay with.

Josie Gleave:
[48:43] I was going to say isn’t that just like like that that’s just going to ruin your gun isn’t it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:48] So it depends on the model.

Josie Gleave:
[48:50] Submerged anyways.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:53] That’s so it’s it’s funny to me cuz I mentioned that before with like you know for example many people are they even asked us why are you still cold this weekend Mormons and yet here we.

Josie Gleave:
[49:03] Still getting really.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:04] Directive about Firearms at a church since then doesn’t just us reading into it has confirmed the change and confirm that Firearms themselves are prohibited at church facilities,
so isn’t the gospel of Geoff wanted to see you write this is my interpretation this is what it is,
but people don’t want to hear it and selective obedience is so funny to me and we all do it and for different things and different reasons right I mean you know it.
we all have our stuff I get it,
but it’s so interesting to me how much outright from tip what is Uber typically a conservative voices that would stress obedience and follow the prophet but in this instance,
there’s like I’ve seen people that people are coming to like Nelson’s always been against the Second Amendment.

Josie Gleave:
[49:49] I was just waiting like when is that going to come up it didn’t take long.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:55] I mean like some people say too bad I think that there should be a calling for one person in the world to be have a concealed carry weapon.

Josie Gleave:
[50:02] I saw that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:03] Like US Marshals at church I guess,
some people just so you know like a the prophet prayed about this what we got to do good enough for us something about some very thoughtful, so I like that they said look like I have a firearm but the previous the previous text said,
appropriate and that was enough for them this like I keep my gun I put it in the glove box when I get to church and that’s good enough for me and that I,
put it back on my person when I leave but the,
people say what’s the legal definition of meeting house then what’s the legal definition what’s the definition of lethal what’s the definition of a weapon then,
there’s so much apocracy does Nelson actually think criminals will go and look up handbook to and Obey it what are they going to do excommunicate me.

Josie Gleave:
[50:50] Probably not.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:51] I would love to see this added to the list of this should be added to the list of Temple recommend questions do you obey the etix.

Josie Gleave:
[50:59] Oh my gosh.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:01] Fabulous random and unnecessary question but I just want to see what happens if it gets Incorporated.

Josie Gleave:
[51:09] I mean you can have the rest of the planet rolling their eyes but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:14] Well I imagined your perspective I mean you probably the only hear about it from Dean of social media and stuff I imagine most of the rest of the world is just like.

Josie Gleave:
[51:24] I think they probably haven’t really noticed this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:27] Well I mean seeing what we’re dealing with here in the states I’m sure yeah sure.

Josie Gleave:
[51:30] 00 like gun laws and the entire issue yes it’s a collective eye-roll and sadness and depression and,
a mostly confusion of people kind of just not sure on like why this matters so much so they tried to explain both sides a little bit and most of them are still shaking their heads at me like then I’ll hit just
now you clearly have a problem this is how you fix it which is their opinion and anyways so it’s mostly.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:02] Like there’s a good quote that says you know this changes things,
members else where it says because none of them are gun crazy like we are they don’t carry guns around everywhere they don’t bring guns to church they’re probably shocked at this rule even has to be made in the first place.

Josie Gleave:
[52:14] Yeah,
that would be accurate so but I mean it does so and that needs to be clearly needed to be specified for the US in particular and so,
I don’t know what else to say on that one Geoff I mean like I don’t agree with that I think you probably you probably don’t need your going to church but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:37] I don’t I mean I’m not.

Josie Gleave:
[52:39] Stand that a lot of people really feel like it needs to come with me everywhere but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:43] Yeah.

Josie Gleave:
[52:44] Not it’s not a global Church Lane.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:46] No I mean but it is in the global handbook I’m in the I’m not a gun person myself but I just find it very interesting that it’s been specified and of course this is in the wake of back,
what back in July they had the shooting where a guy walked into church and shot a guy during sacrament meeting like right there
I got their passionate points of view about this with people saying like look who’s going to protect us and of course we can throw right back and say well who would have protected them in Toledo it took him what what was it 9 seconds until they put down the gun ban in Toledo but he killed their like,
it’ll 6 people during that time frame we could argue this stuff all day long.

Josie Gleave:
[53:20] I mean we could go to the Book of Mormon and it be the anti-nephi-lehies right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:24] I think that’s a funny exam.

Josie Gleave:
[53:25] Neil.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:27] You could say what where is our faith the anti-nephi-lehies bury their weapons of war,
other willingly said fine I’m not going to worry about fighting you I know I know where I stand with my maker and eventually the lamanites had compassion on them of course some you know where murdered before that point came around butt.

Josie Gleave:
[53:45] Yeah I mean I’m not exactly expecting like if there were a horrible situation of like a shooter actually coming into a church I’m not exactly expecting them to have compassion at that moment.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:53] No no me neither meaning.

Josie Gleave:
[53:54] So just but I really like when I’m I don’t own a gun so if I were in the US it’s just it’s not,
it’s not where my mind goes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:05] And your Frontier from a gun-happy region of our of the US to I’m in your from your from the Phoenix area I mean that’s pretty.

Josie Gleave:
[54:11] Yeah,
see that there’s there’s been this funny thing that I have slowly started realizing which is that when people talk about Arizona,
it doesn’t connect with where I feel like I grew up so I didn’t like I wasn’t at all. Didn’t realize that there was a whole lot of connotations around like Mesa and a lot of it being very much,
Panda Gigi do you like Utah sort of does and or at least that’s what the stereotypes are
and anyways it’s been a little bit interesting being an adult and people kind of give me the eyebrows like from Mesa you know I was never in The In Crowd in Mesa so I feel a little bit of an outsider,
I didn’t have a gun so clearly I’m missing out.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:57] Oh now you’re this crazy internationalist bringing all your socialism back so I.

Josie Gleave:
[55:02] That that’s it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:03] What good gun issues are instant for me cuz I’ve known plenty of people growing up you know family members of mine who,
responsibly California has its own set of rules about guns that are more stringent no keeping within the confines of the Second Amendment and what have you some and I didn’t grow up with them in my home I should work for scouting at 7 I thought it was fun.

Josie Gleave:
[55:23] Yeah of course.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:25] But it’s interesting to see how much the culture of something that people are very passionate about can run up against the stand of the churches put out and help people just don’t care.

Josie Gleave:
[55:35] Very much so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:36] Who’s going to say well that’s what the church wants I have my face and I will I will.

Josie Gleave:
[55:42] Do you think people are more riled up about this than they were about medicinal marijuana.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:49] Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah by Leaps and Bounds yet much more so.

Josie Gleave:
[55:51] All right there you go,
I had can’t give me shift I had one question not on this but it was kind of related to like how,
I think the theme of this whole episode sort of like when you have a church leader say one thing versus like
what is a directive from the profit and you know kind of how people we like to sort of cherry pick on,
oh that one’s doctrine that one’s cultural we’re not going to go with that I’m still going to take my firearm to church that protests and one of those I felt like was President Oaks who is giving advice
two couples in Blackfoot Idaho
and it was one of those sort of situations where I felt like when we have our general authorities come and speak this is mostly like their own personal advice but it’s obviously still,
I’m based around our gospel principles is this one of those things where people kind of go I don’t quite agree with that like that’s his opinion of what he would do in his relationship but not necessarily something that I need to do in my relationship
do you know do you know what I mean.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:03] I’ll be a little bit it’s not specific he was getting in this.

Josie Gleave:
[57:07] So there was like there was one bit where now my links not working there was one bit we’re like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:13] Did the Idaho State Journal move until I see it right here 100 over 100 couple little local gather.

Josie Gleave:
[57:20] In Blackfoot Idaho.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:23] There are 100 couples in Blackfoot Idaho.

Josie Gleave:
[57:26] Hey you actually think that’s accurate so,
but he had some good things about like you know you should continue to look at your spouse like you did when you sat across the altar from them in the temple. That’s nice and then they’re bit about like how competition in a marriage is not a good thing that you need to like your separate
where was the quote in your separate responsibilities in your marriage you will be helping one another and committed to the success of another,
great okay but competition in a marriage is not good unless you can see who’s reading like her finishing the Book of Mormon first and chuckle chuckle.

[58:03] But like to me actually I feel like healthy competition is a good thing in my marriage like it works release for myself and my husband but I get I don’t know it was one of the few things that they decide where I wasn’t,
I wondered if,
like with this talk and some other talks again if it’s just kind of feels like they’re giving their own personal advice and how they see things is this something that were less likely to,
think is Doctrine I guess I’m trying to get at that line where’s the doctor and where’s the personal opinion is there no line,
it’s just maybe it’s just opinion but there was one as well this one isn’t was kind of interesting about,
who was it I’ll do it some,
one of the 70s named Elder Hathaway who had a comment about LGBT where he just said that he had a few comments about gender identification and while we recognized by LGBT mean,
we do not use those labels when we were talking about people we do not say for example that a person is gay we say the person struggles with same-gender attraction and I kind of went.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:22] And they said it’s because when we make the label it because.

Josie Gleave:
[59:27] Are we trying to say that like all labels are bad but like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:30] You said the label.

Josie Gleave:
[59:30] We are Latter Day Saints that’s a label to so this was kind of fun that I kind of scratching my head at and maybe that’s why I needed to answer this question was I was kind of like this one feels like opinion this one does not feel like,
yeah I’m not sure on that one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:46] Yeah if this part was up but won’t the whole the whole article from the Idaho State Journal.

Josie Gleave:
[59:51] Is strange.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:53] Totally pivot it’s like couple paragraphs about Elder Oaks and then it goes to the quotes from Elder Hathaway and then it just goes off on Ed smart be coming out as gay the other week.

Josie Gleave:
[1:00:04] Yeah it’s so I’m sure there was great like couples advice but again I’m still a bit like how how far am I supposed to read it may be that just needs to be a very personal decision.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:15] I think that sounds correct.

Josie Gleave:
[1:00:17] Couple advice okay alright that’s why you weren’t answering my where’s the line is because there’s not aligned.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:22] I don’t know I think,
yeah I think you just figure that stuff out I don’t think the brother and exist to tell us how to live every single little part of our relationships to give us some good advice and guidelines and things that can help us as we prayerfully figure out how to apply,
into our own relationships and that’s fine I wouldn’t stress out about it I think you’re going to be okay.

Josie Gleave:
[1:00:42] No not stressing out but I.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:44] You seem stressed out.

Josie Gleave:
[1:00:46] No they were just more moments where I was kind of scratching my head especially on the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:51] That’s fair I think that part was estranged estranged.

Josie Gleave:
[1:00:54] I was just raining a little curve in that article anyways that’s all I had on that one so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:01:01] And folks,
I think that’s all we’re going to do this week everybody that’s the show that’s it I’m not going to tell you about McKenna Denson needing a lawyer cuz she’s going to get one or Richard Dentures lawsuit getting thrown out for his movie being about the other movie yeah,
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Josie Gleave:
[1:01:50] Those Frappuccinos.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:01:51] So use the $4 that the double chocolaty chip would have cost you divided by 4 and use one of those dollars for twin that is mine,
you make it possible everybody Josie thanks for hanging out with us this week,
always great to see you and we hope you’ll come back soon okay good deal,
hope you have a great week everybody thanks for making claim yours can’t do without you so until we meet again next week,
I believe we’re going to be with our friend. Kirk Franklin wants more and he’s got some cool stuff to tell you that he’s doing next week at the same time so we’re excited for that until then,
for Josie I’m Geoff be well be holy and be happy.