This Week in Mormons Episode 438

Leading Saints’ legendary founder and host, Kurt Francom, joins us this week to dissect the news, talk about Leading Saint amazing new Liberating Saints virtual summit, which is aimed at combating pornography addiction. Sign up!

Lots of temple news this week, including an admission by President Nelson that we should expect more temple announcements this upcoming General Conference as well as “other” announcements. But which temples? And what does “other” mean?.

Haiti’s first temple, in the capital of Port-au-Prince, was dedicated over the weekend by Elder David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

President Rebelo de Sousa of Portugal toured the Lisbon Portugal Temple during its open house last week. Always fun when a head of state visits one of our buildings.

The Church released renderings of the Richmond Virginia Temple, and Geoff is giddy!

Lastly, to celebrate their temple’s rededication, saints in the Raleigh North Carolina Temple district are holding a fun run 5K to the temple grounds. Spiritual and physical fitness, friends.

Let’s move to missionaries. Are returned missionaries the key to Utah’s success with startups? One publication thinks so. Third Hour, the Mormon Buzzfeed, republished an article about how mission calls are issued, so… read it again.

We came across a terrific article on finding the right balance between making assignments and asking for volunteers at Church. The Church runs on assignments, but we have to go about it the right way.

JTM, formerly James the Mormon, formerly Jamesthemormon, is changing names again, mostly because he says people, even at church, make him feel unwelcome over his continued reference to “Mormon.” He also admits this is a play on search algorithms, as his music is not meant to be lumped into the newest Kenneth Cope album.

There’s some biased journalism over at High Country News, but author Emma Penrod gets into an interesting area: the state of Utah’s reticence to enforce regulations if it means fining or embarrassing the Church. The situation in question is contaminated drinking water at a Church-owned camp facility that the state has willingly looked away from with the hope the Church would take care of it on its own.

Get ready for a graphic novel of the First Vision! This looks pretty cool!

Transcript

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:00] Well everyone once again we are here this weekend Mormon or as I call it this weekend M asterisk.

Kurt Francom:
[0:08] Pam pam param param this is your background music Jeff pump better than your walk on your walk on song.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:15] I thought about like fire baseball player cuz you know they get to play their music I’d probably try to spite the industry and play something random like just a camera obscura song or something like that never be like what’s with this,
pretentious Scotty Scottish Indie pop,
let’s say that’s me pretentious Indie likes to drink pop for you times and lived in Scotland so I’ve got it all.

Kurt Francom:
[0:40] Mine would be master the Tempest is Raging.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:43] Leave it to Kenneth cope cover.

Kurt Francom:
[0:45] We sing that in church this past Sunday and I was thinking this is a strange hymn.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:52] That him goes it’s what’s 6 minutes long at least.

Kurt Francom:
[0:56] And it’s just ominous.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:58] Feel like I should look at the LDS the sorry not anymore now it’s just called The Sacred Music let’s look at the app and see how long it’s kind of funny cuz I’m I’m in charge of the music and our bishopric and ward council meetings.

Kurt Francom:
[1:12] Are you pick the ham or what.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:14] I do all the choosing sides make all the agendas for our meeting does the exact SEC and then the bishop just leans on me to like cue it up on my phone and play it
and I and I can duck the music to sitting in my chair mostly because no one can hear it eventually and then we all either rush or drag usually rush and it just gets out of sync so I’m going to try like,
come on up here I’ll tear,
anyways I love it when I do something you think you’re great in there 2 minutes long every now and I trying to avoid the Master’s in the Tempest because I don’t want to spend 6 minutes doing I was just go on.

Kurt Francom:
[1:53] I know there’s like I think there’s like three or four versus it just.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:56] It’s not too just the song it’s just it’s just so long.

Kurt Francom:
[1:58] Yes so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:01] You need to be able to do you have since we’re on the topic of him to briefly you know they closed the.

Kurt Francom:
[2:05] I’m Kirk Franklin by the way just hasn’t.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:07] Tell a sorry sorry I didn’t you to some Kirk Franklin from leading Saints he is a little bit shorter than me definitely more handsome in his eyes are much Bluer Than mine because mine are green so.

Kurt Francom:
[2:17] Minor also green but I’ll go with blue.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:19] Those are green I’m looking at you right now you’re glistening.

Kurt Francom:
[2:22] Look deep.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:23] Look at those eyes are like space crystals.

Kurt Francom:
[2:25] So I must say that I really appreciate your co-host what’s her name she was on last week,
Josie yeah I heard Singapore perspective.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:39] Chelsea houses get some international news I mean you can find that stuff anywhere and curiously I find it the church the regular Church Newsroom is now started publishing an international news Roundup,
at least once a week maybe every two weeks,
any way related to that but I find it interesting they didn’t do that before but now they are so I hear about all the stuff that’s going on.

Kurt Francom:
[3:00] And the and the reunions tour was out he was back.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:05] How did come back he reminded us all that he is kind of a jerk and.

Kurt Francom:
[3:10] And still says inappropriate stuff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:12] I still see their appropriate stuff my favorite of course was when we were talking about Colby farren’s album and I’ll decide every song was about drugs drugs masturbation and drugs.

Kurt Francom:
[3:21] Right marriage didn’t fix him it doesn’t fix any of us folks.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:30] That that is not true you have to remember folks we become personas on this program we’re not exactly as we are.

Kurt Francom:
[3:37] We’re pretty boring when we are just in person.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:40] Hey speak for yourself chump I’m Dynamic and interesting.

Kurt Francom:
[3:43] Yeah yeah sure,
Geoff it was cool to have our back and you guys have a chemistry okay it just works I listen to that and now he’s dealing with the scraps of a post here.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:58] We are like Ross and Rachel we just.

Kurt Francom:
[4:00] It’s true and we always hope they get back together hopefully by the time the series.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:06] Which is is troubling because we are going to be completing our 10th season which is how long friends was on so I don’t know if,
do we call it quits come January next year.

Kurt Francom:
[4:15] And let’s be honest this could be the last episode who knows.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:19] No the last episode I’ve told you it’s my long-standing issue is this show cannot end and least until McKay coppins comes on as a guest,
I’m not saying it will end once he comes out as a gas though if there’s miss all of you that want us to be out of our misery you could arrange that I guess and try to accelerate the process but otherwise I can’t I cannot do it until McCain is here,
or dividend.

Kurt Francom:
[4:42] Trying to get McKay on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:45] This text I’m done playing it slow I’m doing my game or I took me years to run into him at an event in January we chatted for a bit planted the seed next up I just randomly show up at his place of work.

Kurt Francom:
[4:59] Vineyard randomly staring through his house that is live.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:03] Next up I’m staring through his living room window and next up I’m calling him and asking him specific questions that about his kids that are at.

Kurt Francom:
[5:11] Tennessee Christmas Vacation scenario where your cousin kidnaps them and bring them to you for the interview.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:19] Yeah I’m going to let you know that’s going to say that it was going to blossom into a beautiful friendship but yeah.

Kurt Francom:
[5:24] Oh yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:25] That’s how most of my rats how I got my wife it was mostly a Stockholm syndrome type.

Kurt Francom:
[5:29] Blink twice if you’re under duress anyways.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:37] Newborn joke I was going to ask you a little bit about him is but I guess now we don’t care I was curious.

Kurt Francom:
[5:43] What I’m curious where we going with him.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:45] The moment has passed I wanted to know since they close the window on people submitting for newham so you know,
I knew him book finally I want to get the current perspective on if there are any known songs that are not currently codified in our book as hymns that you would like to see included and if there are any existing hymns that you think are worthy of being
a removed from the future him.

Kurt Francom:
[6:07] Just anything Peter breinholt rights I mean let’s be honest let’s let’s let’s get a little you know beat going I know the music.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:16] Navarre best interviews.

Kurt Francom:
[6:18] I just seen what it’s provided for me and you know,
I am a big fan of be still my soul I hope that’s still sticks around it as far as like adding I don’t know what I do know I went to education week BYU education week and it would to a class with Brad Wilcox
he actually he didn’t submit a song but he submitted a new verse for I am a child of God and he.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:40] Of course he did everyone look at me.

Kurt Francom:
[6:43] Hey Brad’s great.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:46] But he just had to make sure you all knew that he submitted it in case this goes to a vote we should this should be a reality show why is it not on BYUtv this is a missed opportunity.

Kurt Francom:
[6:55] I need a number to text in to count my vote.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:59] I mean I’m really a hundred percent serious I think it’s they whine I know I know BYUtv is getting away from anything that’s overtly Church driven all the time but I would like.

Kurt Francom:
[7:12] They should just a fold that into General Conference in between speakers like bring Ryan Seacrest up or the Latter Day Saint equivalent and be like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:21] Wait for it we get rid of the,
but you know the average choir that we’ll sing in the Saturday afternoon session you know it’s always some random Consortium of Youth from from,
Weber County or something like that we get rid of them and then we have different people come out and sings and songs we haven’t heard before,
and people are buzzers in the conference center and we can lie but we tweet with hashtags just like I’m popular reality television.

Kurt Francom:
[7:48] But wasn’t it I think I heard the number like wasn’t it like tens of thousands of songs have been submitted.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:54] I got all weekend I’m there for 10 hours anyway.

Kurt Francom:
[7:56] Nice that that would keep people from using the bathroom during the the choir numbers.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:03] It does Saturn me during conference when now they were ungrateful of technology has enabled us to access it much more easily from wherever we are that’s the important thing but it was saddened me that we often see interior shots of the conference center
and there are plenty of open seats especially on the edges I mean there was a time when no man conference tickets were big deal you were so happy to get him in that place was filled,
reasonably on time and now is that it’s just not the case anymore,
I don’t know I mean it’s a good problem to have because more people can access it online than ever before I do think it looks sad.

Kurt Francom:
[8:40] Well someday Jeff will all be attending because of virtual reality member that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:46] I remember your ideas yeah yeah yeah.

Kurt Francom:
[8:48] And maybe we can all attend conference that way.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:51] I mean you think the church public affairs Department would have like a legion of seat-fillers ready to go.

Kurt Francom:
[8:56] Bright like the like the Oscars is that we.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:58] Yes but but once again they proved it since Michael auterson his left they don’t have a clue what’s going on it seems.

Kurt Francom:
[9:04] The place is falling apart.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:06] Very confused nowadays I feel bad.

Kurt Francom:
[9:08] Nice.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:09] Before we get any news I just want to check in with you I want to make sure you’re okay intervention style how is life on the Franklin front.

Kurt Francom:
[9:20] The Franken French next next episode on the Franklin front with curtain Elena Frank.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:26] Kurt visits Chick-fil-A.

Kurt Francom:
[9:28] That’s right so I had that a lot has happened I’ve moved since the last time we recorded and but I just moved down the street in the same city and holiday and I.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:39] How many steaks over are.

Kurt Francom:
[9:40] Steaks over there’s two different steaks in between me and my old stick and that was good I actually visited Mount Rushmore and I,
and you’ll appreciate this experience so where were there at Mount Rushmore and is sort of one of those things like cool and can we go now like what I saw it but none the less sweet there’s this trail that you know they have the visitor center in kind of look at it,
take some pictures and then there’s a trail that goes down and then there’s some stairs and path that you can get a little bit closer to the base we’re headed down there and there’s this kind of rest area this Landing there and,
there’s these you know these pull up signs you see a conference or not a conference at conferences in a pull up signs there’s he’s pull up signs of like about like mormon.org or what it what it what is it called now.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:29] Nose come unto Christ.

Kurt Francom:
[10:30] Coming to Christ. Org and I’m like and it’s just like standing there and think what on Earth is happening will they know as we get to to leave the sister missionaries come back I guess they’re you know,
take a break or something and so they were there at Mount Rushmore like,
prosolo proselytizing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:48] Will it preparation day.

Kurt Francom:
[10:49] Oh no no no they were like Hayward like in missionary mode but it seems so odd to me that you know what is it a National Monument I get those mixed up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:59] Rushmore is a monument yes.

Kurt Francom:
[11:00] Yeah so I mean I just seem weird that they would actually allow that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:06] I guess but at the same time as public land so of all the places for that to happen,
I was thinking the same thing you were telling the story. Can they do that there but it’s I mean it’s the people’s property why is it any different than missionaries walking along the National Mall.

Kurt Francom:
[11:23] Yeah so can I’d like just if I buy sell jewelry can I just set up shop there at Mount Rushmore in.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:28] That I would talk to protect the permit I imagine there are this is just complete guesswork there probably some exclusions for religious bodies speech speech related stuff is a post something transactional I don’t know.

Kurt Francom:
[11:40] It was it was like very random and but it was awesome to see mount.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:45] Unless you have to have a permit I don’t know I mean you know cuz you could protest on government property all the time but you typically have to get a permit but that’s part of exercising your right to free speech to the missionaries have permits either way they were down the trail which seems like a weird spot for you going to hang out.

Kurt Francom:
[11:59] Yeah it was very random.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:00] You hang out there if you hang up by the Esplanade a flag that’s where you get the people.

Kurt Francom:
[12:04] It was ever a preaching the word there we gave me a thumbs up and encourage them on our way their way and and so that’s my life.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:14] Lima number for beautiful Allen actually went there about 7. Years ago yeah we went there a while ago we were on an epic road trip through the to the North and the West,
we stopped there that we slept in a field outside of Mount Rushmore cuz there was no room in any of the ends and so we just we just,
park the car will let the bags and slept under the stars in South Dakota.

Kurt Francom:
[12:37] This is actually my second time going to Mount Rushmore but my first time seeing it because the first time I went it was a wall of fog and I cannot see it so I have this picture of me standing in front of a wall of fog it is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:50] Statistics.

Kurt Francom:
[12:52] And I tried to recreate the picture but this time with the actual Mount Rushmore.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:55] Did you add drive out there reply to me was a road trip kind of thing like I said.

Kurt Francom:
[12:57] Yeah we drove up beside Devil’s family vacation we saw Devils Tower.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:01] He’s at Devil’s Tower Devil’s Tower School, Sellersburg.

Kurt Francom:
[13:04] And went to Jewel Cave definitely recommended as for the highlight of the trip so is great.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:10] That’s awesome,
I’m jealous I have not been on an epic road trip and sometime instead I spent the weekend was excited for Labor Day and such you know and the day off and then Friday night,
we took one of my kids to the ER for croup so that was fun that’s how we.

Kurt Francom:
[13:30] Doing well he got they got.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:32] He’s fine he said he’s all he’s all sorted out he’s going to be just for that,
it was an Urgent Care doable thing but either way you got taken care of and I’m very glad and thankful that he’s okay but naturally instead of sleeping on Friday night my wife and I are probably got about,
to wish hours in before the other kid was awake my wife slept upright in a chair keeping the croup kid upright so he can actually sleep so they want you to cough and wake up and go to Sochi.

Kurt Francom:
[14:00] Yeah those noises parents man you just.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:04] She had a rough go,
yeah I’ve been done like a 2-hour and I like that in a long long time so Saturday was kind of a blur I was very thankful for it being a holiday weekend cuz it let Labor Day itself be something normal I would say because Saturday was Awash I took,
my older cat out to run errands and to dinner because it was later in the afternoon I didn’t take a nap or anything I was like I’m going to collapse if I’m just sitting around the house,
so I got to do something to distract myself so that was fun that was fun but otherwise.

Kurt Francom:
[14:32] If only you had a like a soda shop near you like we have them on every corner like next ever.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:37] Oh I indulged I asked Mike are elective where do you want to go down take you anywhere you want for dinner that’s why don’t I rarely say that ever to my children so I’ll take you anywhere you want and who’s going.

Kurt Francom:
[14:49] Oh yeah Chick-fil-A.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:50] And I was like fine nevermind that on Tuesday I worked at home that day until for fun I took the kids to Chick-fil-A for lunch anyway so I’m like I don’t even care that’s like 3 Days Later sure we will go to Chick-fil-A again,
I don’t care when I took that first sip of dr. pepper oh my goodness could I have some kind of out-of-body experience it was remarkable.

Kurt Francom:
[15:09] What you just said they’re what is so Latter-Day Saint is just crazy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:14] It’s so we can’t do that so Mormon anymore that is so low.

Kurt Francom:
[15:16] Let’s make some let’s make some T-shirts that so Latter-Day Saint.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:24] Anyway so good things are happening all around otherwise it’s coming up now in about a month and that would be fun and we’re working on our Temple predictions right now,
I’m going to give you a teaser though I’m I’m giving a a low percent chance but I’m not included Rapid City I think that neck of the woods might might get one.

Kurt Francom:
[15:44] Who.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:45] You were there so you.

Kurt Francom:
[15:46] I was there there I did not see a temple so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:49] No they’re clearing up there in a bit of an island is a temple in Billings and a temple in Bismarck and then I don’t know the temple in like Fort Collins Colorado or something got nothing so I’m pulling.

Kurt Francom:
[16:03] So is that yours at your if you were put a pin in a map on one location that would be your one guess that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:09] Now that would have been my top that does not even my top guess we’re still kind of formulating our real top top guesses not quite sure I might go go crazy and say Orem that’s right.

Kurt Francom:
[16:20] Orem.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:23] Okay I know I know everyone you’re all thinking know it’s going to be Vineyard but no is it going to be warm people no no no it’s not going to be Linden house like what’s the name of that City next to Linden yeah that’s the one.

Kurt Francom:
[16:35] Linden is that’s that’s more classy part of I guess they’ll Oram Plus.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:39] I guess no cedar know what that called Cedar Bench with that City I don’t know any.

Kurt Francom:
[16:45] You’re getting way too detailed in for my Utah mind.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:48] Speaking of the temples that we have to speculate about this kind of stuff,
but we’d have to speculate as much because while President Nelson was doing a little South American tour visiting the Saints Uno rallying the troops doing all that good stuff.

Kurt Francom:
[17:01] He gave us a teaser.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:02] He was in in the Brasilia Brazil the capital city and according to the church Newsroom just straight-up confirm that there will be Temple announcements in October,
as well as quote other announcements so I don’t know if we’re going to get a this is going to feed the rumor mill last in April,
your room is pumped up what’s going to happen to conference what can happen the conference so that it was just a pretty by the Numbers Affair but,
this time around we don’t know these announcements will be and likewise we know there will be temples it a tag totally,
truly anecdotally of course is always like I have a friend who’s like,
dad is a temple worker who talk to each other Temple worker who is the president Nelson but I’m going to choose to throw it out there,
yeah I’ll let you leave the church is far more invested in building temples now than they aren’t meeting houses especially because to our church does not necessitate the construction of more many houses is used to so they want to allocate those resources,
and build more smaller temples that reach more remote areas now that’s anecdotal but it also attracts.

Kurt Francom:
[18:06] Do you feel like an N Creek Miramar maybe this is very a Utah
mentality here. I’m in my bubble here but it seems like since we’ve done to the to our church we now have these buildings that are built for the church in the seventies and eighties and now they don’t really work with 2-hour church as well,
it have you have you felt that like this you don’t combining Elders Quorum High priests now there’s not really like every Ward I visit that there’s an awkward rumors there set up for for that meeting and Sunday school now has a bit bigger and so it doesn’t really work and in some meetings and so we just need to
start over take down every church built and redo it that’s how I would allocate.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:47] And put them out Holodeck virtual reality things.

Kurt Francom:
[18:49] That’s right just give everybody a virtual reality headsets and let’s just go from.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:55] You do have something interesting though that I’ve seen that in our building they had that I’m trying to think of the reasons why but that we had to have
priesthood and primary wear one of those kind of classic oval shaped stick centers with the big Corner rooms right on the three of the corners got Relief Society priesthood then primer in the other Corner likes take office
area code of ethics,
they switch primary priesthood which was basically kitty corner from one another across the building I had forgotten because of capacity of the same size but they’re not,
and so appreciative smaller than primary put it so it’s really goofy now that primary and was officially the priesthood room in the poor kids have to walk across the building rather than to get back to the classrooms that are,
immediately adjacent to the primary room Antioch to our churches as required us to do all kinds of weird structural things wouldn’t have to do before.

Kurt Francom:
[19:45] Yeah I think of a lot more words are like using the chapel for that second hour and the chapel is like the worst place to have a class that where we want to facilitate discussion cuz it’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:57] Okay maybe but I’ve been in words before we’re in the chapel the Sunday school teacher hooks up a projector and has a lapel mic and walks around the chapel doing the lesson like a pro so I mean.

Kurt Francom:
[20:10] But my argument is if the if the instructor needs a mic then your ear sort of it is not going to facilitate a discussion.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:20] Are you implying that when setting requires amplification it it prohibits intimacy is that what you’re trying to say.

Kurt Francom:
[20:27] That is I could have said it better myself.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:29] Well there was General Conference is Schmo.

Kurt Francom:
[20:32] No it general conference isn’t meant for discussion where Sunday school is an elder.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:36] Well I’m so I mean well I mean that’s what sure sure I mean that’s.

Kurt Francom:
[20:43] I’m not saying that we can’t have any meetings with microphones I’m just saying that we the handbook say to our destruction or are the direction we’re going in these classes focus on discussion and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:54] That’s true that’s true.

Kurt Francom:
[20:55] And then we give a guy Mike and wonder why nobody else makes a comment because well we can’t hear the other person as his room so big and you know 80 people are crammed in it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:05] What is the structure like in your Sunday school class cuz Elders Quorum and relief society are now designed very clearly it’s just conference talks,
there is not you know two weeks out study crammed into one lesson so I’m just curious how your work doesn’t for Sunday school with the two different lessons as your teacher try to do both does he or she left the class kind of
grab bag and pick different things I put up on screen like the various topics that are discussed across these lessons and accessory go around like what’s the format in your.

Kurt Francom:
[21:37] You know the format mine is Vin did they generally you show up and you sir to get surprised what chapter that of those two lessons are going to focus on
and actually put this pull out on Twitter last Sunday because my experience has been a bit about the pole said has since they come follow me programs been instigated has your second our Sunday school class,
experiencing proved stay the same or gotten worse and most people said
it has improved but my experience has been in his gotten worse because,
it’s just I think the teachers still trying to teach the lesson as it was before where they try and present something where it should be more of a discussion about what did you learn type of thing but that’s a
Amor at risky are more vulnerable direction to go cuz what nobody says something whatever it so it’s been this sort of sort of dry just well,
this is let’s read this scripture what do you think about that and I it’s not working for me and maybe I just it’s maybe it’s me Jeff I need to look internally.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:41] Uno I think part of it is not it’s not fully understanding what to make of this new format at this point I mean it’s on Sunday school president to be a little more proactive in teaching their teachers how to handle it cuz one thing remember that,
pretty sure this is true I love just throwing rumors out there but,
my understanding is that the new curriculum was being developed for come follow me with the expectation that it would be still 3-hour Church there you have weekly,
weekly through our church and then on the second hour typically the second hour would be,
are you are gospel Doctrine block and I’ll make sense because you know we barely had that new structure for precede the relief society as far as what the lesson with the lessons were the only two of them were Sunday school yeah I do know that present to lessen the other one so,
I heard they were that was developed with that in mind and then when it was already underway,
the prophet through thought and prayer realize that we should shift to our church to not to our church to home centered church and so then they were left with this manual that has two weeks worth of content.

[23:46] Spell pearlescent and I think that’s that’s let some of it to it cuz I’ve been in the same thing we’re just kind of hey what’s interesting to you guys what do you want to talk about I don’t think it,
restricted discussion if a teacher comes prepared having prayerfully considered what are the key points he or she wants to get on and saying like all right so this is really important let’s let’s get into this this this and this and then,
where can I go but yeah I don’t have it either when you just kind of sit.

Kurt Francom:
[24:12] Yeah I guess my experiences I maybe I just need to figure this out on my in my own world but I just have a very difficult time of connecting my home study experience with at 2nd at our Sunday school and from what I understood
That was supposed to be facilitated much more easily but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:30] I’m excited I would love to do I’ve been meaning to do a light survey on just how come follow me is going for people in general,
you know who’s who’s doing it consistently how many people are just don’t have don’t bother at all,
I don’t know what is going on there is Mayhem about.

Kurt Francom:
[24:49] Have Riot is breaking out with your.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:51] They’re really I feel very bad I left early record later,
in the evening but this week’s necessitated something a bit earlier run over about dinner time my time so I quickly 8 and abandon my wife with our kids and all I hear is pandemonium above me and I feel terrible but I love her so much.

Kurt Francom:
[25:08] That’s the sacrifice Jets going through here.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:10] Nei conference ideas or rumors you thought of like other than temples but like what what changes could come I hear about missionary stuff that’s what I hear floating.

Kurt Francom:
[25:19] The old-time rumors right I really think the church is MayDay intentional,
move to not make major announcements during General Conference and just focus on doctrines and and Toxin and and maybe,
here and there they’ll be an explanation or an emphasis on something but I just think we’re I think they learned a lot from that to our church announcement that it’s going to it’s just a Friday drops at this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:47] They’re all out if I dropped the case but you know we do have it on the record saying other announcements so I don’t know what that could be or or they’re just doing a naughty job trying to get us to TuneIn,
two might be the case anyway cool.

Kurt Francom:
[26:03] What’s next Jeff we got we got temples happening there is at the Haiti Temple was dedicated also the,
the Portugal Lisbon Portugal Temple that’s that has been dedicated yet am I right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:20] It’s like right after no right before conference I think they just finished the open house last week so I think about 2.

Kurt Francom:
[26:26] And if the president of Portugal actually took some time to take a tour I think that’s pretty cool.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:33] That is pretty cool so myself. Georgia Georgia Georgia Georgia Georgia Georgia.

Kurt Francom:
[26:43] Eat your finding 24% of your eye.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:46] Half the church.

Kurt Francom:
[26:48] And Brazil you have to church quite literally so not only our Temple house was coming but temples are half and I mean that that is the phase of of the restoration that were in when you say is that temples are happening.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:02] There’s actually want to give props to Portugal I see my mission in Spain so going to Liberia,
Iberian love Portugal I’m going to get all the credit in the world because Portugal being much smaller geographically and population-wise compared to Spain still has 45000 members in the country,
across 65 congregations a number of steaks basically it’s a lot more concentrated membership wise and Portugal than it is over in Spain so,
I will give them mad props for doing whatever it is you’re doing well to have the church be a little more potent there than it is,
and the other country next door kiss paint out of trouble for 20 years but hear Portugal gets one and I do not know who’s going to go to the Madrid Temple now that Paris has been dedicated and Italy and now Portugal I mean who’s left it’s literally just for the Spanish now and maybe some of Southern France by,
my dreams of a temple and Barcelona are quickly.

Kurt Francom:
[27:57] They’re doing not going to happen just least not in this decade or the next.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:03] For some quick Temple news that affects me sort of personal and I’m very excited that they released renderings the Church of the Richmond Virginia Temple which was,
about a year ago,
a little more than a year after that was in April 2018 I believe that’s exciting for us you know I live in the DC region are temples closed until sometime likely next spring when they rededicated in this Temple of course won’t be done before then,
it’ll be cool. Temple actually in Virginia its its architecture looks very Colonial very Virginian fits in nicely,
I like that the guy in charge of it said that the landscaping design is inspired by historic Williamsburg,
and I found that interesting cuz I’ve been to Colonial Williamsburg and it’s like a lot of dirt and split rail fences,
I think there is something that Williamsburg I guess the rest of Williamsburg that’s just got strip malls in like an Outback Steakhouse so I don’t know what they’ll be working with their so I’m assuming it’s Colonial Williamsburg either way,
very exciting news in Richmond and it’s going to be on the clothes out of Richmond to me so when it’s done it might depending on traffic it might be more worthwhile for me to go down to Richmond for the temple into DC.

Kurt Francom:
[29:12] So what how many minutes drive is it to the Richmond Temple as opposed to the DC.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:17] Will depend so,
traffic is notoriously bad on the I-95 Corridor to get down there so traffic is good on a Saturday or just anyone’s guess you could get down there in about an hour from where I am,
and it would take you about an hour to get to DC but that’s an hour that’s less distance as the crow flies to do so,
it’s a lot more traffic and stuff in the way to get up there.

Kurt Francom:
[29:43] Nice that you have options you can switch it up a little bit.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:46] We’re living the dream here I think there was one there one more one more just south of Richmond the Raleigh Temple is coming back online that’s one of the handful
that has been closed for a number of years to basically be rebuilt from the ground up I love to remind everyone of this fun Story how the church took some of the Hinckley era many temples and said we’re just going to close them,
I didn’t tell anybody that they were being rebuilt cuz the original ones were built out of wood and all had mold and rot problems cuz they built them in the Southern United States and then plan for humidity so
that’s fine whatever so they rebuilt it now it’s all nice and it’s going to be rededicated but what I love is in lieu of the usual hoopla surrounding a rededication and the events they put around it they’re doing a 5k Fun Run.

Kurt Francom:
[30:30] I am trying to imagine the meeting that happened where that one brave soul raises and said how about a Fun Run and everybody sort of nodded like that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:42] Oh yeah yeah yeah brother Anderson that’s a good idea.

Kurt Francom:
[30:46] It was a tie between that and the bake sale but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:50] I’ve ever seen a temple FrontRunner starting at 1 Chapel that’s just across town and then they’re running along a Trail Way to the temple.

Kurt Francom:
[30:58] And it didn’t you say this is maybe in lieu of the the youth celebration.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:03] I’m not sure if they’re doing are you celebration for this one or not.

Kurt Francom:
[31:07] Didn’t you say it’s a time when episode you speculated that went out with that was a president Monson initiative it passed with him.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:15] Yeah I’m sorry I misspoke so I don’t know if they’re doing a youth Fireside they probably RBFCU celebrations haven’t happened they bled over many of the ones that were planned before President Nelson,
came about but since then and he that he has had whatever say over there they switch them to Fireside instead of,
ridiculous weird corny celebrations what’s your fun for the kids but I mean,
they are but they’re all so stupid so you know anyway I want to give you props for that which all the fun runs,
do a fun run of the DC Temple the amazing it’s a landmark in the area,
oh my gosh I can’t wait to see you guys there I hope he reads I hope Mitch shows up he probably will the open house I want it to be my tour guide Miss not my to work. He has no faith and he deserves all the flak he gets on Facebook from his constituents.

Kurt Francom:
[32:07] Yeah that’s right that’s where I spend most of my time is is dming Senator Romney there’s also.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:15] Animal eating saves man come on.

Kurt Francom:
[32:18] I know he’s he’s on my bucket list I’ll get it like in an interview,
so I think like there’s there’s all sorts of like relays and runs associated with temples I think in Idaho they do the temple to Temple relay from Rexburg to Idaho Falls.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:33] Oh that’s fun.

Kurt Francom:
[32:34] I think there’s some.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:36] In Provo do they do the Provo to Provo.

Kurt Francom:
[32:38] Yeah that’s just a giant that’s a Sunday afternoon walk.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:43] I do the Oquirrh Mountain to Jordan River fun run.

Kurt Francom:
[32:45] If we could start it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:48] They would do it to Draper but the fancy people the Draper will not let the riff raff from West Valley City come anywhere near their prop.

Kurt Francom:
[32:53] You’re not you’re not close on roads in Draper that’s not happening so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:57] You live above the inversion okay about.

Kurt Francom:
[33:00] Speaking of the other side of the mountain the point of the mountain from Draper is a Utah County where they had it is also known as silicon silicon slopes where all sorts of startups and
what companies are are popping up and there’s this fascinating article in the the next web.com which I have read a total of one article which is this our,
on that website and it’s called what’s the secret to Utah startup success Mormon missionaries,
I don’t think they meant it as a question.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:33] Yeah I should be Latter Day Saints missionaries this conversation’s crap I don’t know why you even read Nick her.

Kurt Francom:
[33:37] Sorry I please excuse my language but they will just about what the missionary program does,
in relation to the economy in Utah’s for particular in these start up where it were very very rich place for a lot of sales companies that come on a call centers in and what not popping up in there I mean there’s a
pest control company,
your daughter to work organization all over Utah County all sorts of places like that but it was ensuring article just it to reflect on Justine,
these additional benefits that come from,
missionary program obviously nobody goes on a mission so that they can be really successful life we do so because they want to serve the Lord we love right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:27] Are you sure I mean but if you look at it it’s in the best would have like $11,000 and you can make $40,000 drink during summer sales and without the skills from the mission they could think about the return on investment that that’s at 3.

Kurt Francom:
[34:37] Is true right 2 to have the skill set of knocking door to door to door and keep going and that that can make you some money.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:46] You were being sincere and I should be quiet.

Kurt Francom:
[34:49] I’m just saying I thought it was an interesting perspective that
to look at it yeah it’s kind of cool that this we have this you know initiation into the world from where we we leave our our our families and friends and and grow up a little bit and we come back better people in end,
apart from the you know that the growing the kingdom and baptizing people sharing this wonderful message it’s pretty cool that this is part of our culture in and of these benefits come.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:17] Amen brother,
well speaking of missionaries let’s talk about an article over 3rd hour the BuzzFeed of Mormonism that’s basically a republish if something I’m pretty sure they did a few years ago about how our mission call assignments really made,
which is a weird way to phrase that but yes how are they really made what happens is it a grab-bag do they have a hat do they have Joseph Smith’s old hat and do they grab things out of it instead of seer Stones what do they do with the hat or a hat,
no there’s no hair.

Kurt Francom:
[35:48] Please ask that question where is that we got we know where the Seer stone is but where’s that at.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:50] No one asked about the Hat I mean we know we have the stone what about the Hat.

Kurt Francom:
[35:55] If we have to have.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:56] Maybe they do have the hat I don’t know.

Kurt Francom:
[35:58] Where’s the Hat.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:00] If those people do the right thing and actually storm the granite vaults like they’re supposed to maybe we’ll find it in there along with the sword of Laban and who knows what else not the plates though kids maroon I took those back don’t get your hopes up all right that’s over so,
and the early days of the church,
missionaries were interviewed by General Authorities or even called during General Conference which is probably why every General Conference people think that there’s no one else mission calls during General Conference but today of course that doesn’t happen we have technology
Elder Ballard explain that your photograph comes up on a computer screen together with the information provided by your bishop and stake president,
when your picture appears we look into your eyes and review your answers to the missionary recommendation questions,
hold on I haven’t done this for a while but what are the answers to the missionary recommendation questions I mean how much variation do you think they have on those questions,
you’ve been a steak leader more recently that I have I feel like,
there’s like so many ways you can answer that question like do you want to serve the Lord yes do you want to love people while yes.

Kurt Francom:
[37:01] Yeah but I think there’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:03] And I took French in high school.

Kurt Francom:
[37:05] I wasn’t privy to those conversations as I wasn’t decent president but,
I never really had to ask those questions but I think there’s various things like as far as health mental health and you know that they’re all considering that whether they’re sent going to Timbuktu or whether they’re going to Tacoma.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:24] Yeah yes I mean I’m just being sassy about it,
this is published already,
it’s it’s always a good refresher there to put you in a room they think about who’s there they they compare their notes and what they feel inspired by what I do like seeing their the pictures Elder Oak public four years ago,
cuz it seems more intimate than I imagined it like the way he’s kind of sitting in a little what looks like a little like clerk’s office in front of a screen right.

Kurt Francom:
[37:53] Yeah I imagine like a dark room with a projector.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:56] A picture of war room kind of scenario right there in this big room.

Kurt Francom:
[37:58] Yeah yeah like the transfer board on the in the mission in the mission.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:02] Like they’re all sitting there in like a conference room maybe they do have laptops or a bunch of screens right in front of them and then they say all right foot up number x275 3,
Canada Canada pops up and they decide if he’s chosen one or not if you will be tribute whatever it may be,
and then they work from there but it looks like instead it’s a little more intimate where they kind of sit down and think and Ponder and of course there is logic that goes into it. Prayer but I like to take the time to corroborate one another’s inspiration before they issue the calls,
I live I have every testimony that my call for my mission was divinely inspired 100% it was definitely not because I was just some random person available whichever time for
whatever I’m sure there’s some criteria I filled but beyond that I’m.

Kurt Francom:
[38:48] That’s that’s where you’re meant to go and that’s why you love Spaniard.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:53] Kids if you will go on a mission you can wind up like me I don’t know what better poster child there is for serving a mission and then being able to wind up like.

Kurt Francom:
[38:57] Finally straighten his life out thanks to the mission.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:02] I guess I guess it’s good it’s it’s good to revisit I tried to comment on the article but they moderated and says we’re reviewing your comment my comment said it’s cool that you republish this for clicks.

Kurt Francom:
[39:16] Why do you burn Bridges with other Latter Day Saints.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:23] I don’t burn Bridges I make bridges do you know do you know the good terms to cultural High cultural High the cultural Hall and Wimmer on now.

Kurt Francom:
[39:32] Are you guys like is there a merger coming.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:33] We are we are we are almost we are almost at a Reagan Gorbachev level up to taunt at this point.

Kurt Francom:
[39:39] When is the the cultural Hall Geoff openshaw interview coming.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:43] I don’t know if the people demand it supply and demand I’m I Supply they have to demand.

Kurt Francom:
[39:51] Go to Leading saints.org contact and I will forward those requests on to the appropriate parties.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:58] Okay and go to patreon.com this week in Mormons and pledge money for this.

Kurt Francom:
[40:02] Always comes back and money with you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:05] That’s all I care about your the your nonprofit you don’t care about these sorts of things I on the other hand I’ve got mouths to feed man.

Kurt Francom:
[40:09] All right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:13] I also take my kids at Chick-fil-A.

Kurt Francom:
[40:17] I was going to make more comments about the the mission call assignment spent about with the word of wisdom changes,
previous weeks and these changes with we’re in a season of changes right with President Nelson and people I think get caught up so much in the,
in the feeling of well is this Revelation or God is it not you know did an angel appear did it did he not and I just don’t think that’s how,
Church works like at the end the day like for me I really appreciate it my mission to the California Sacramento Spanish-speaking Mission but,
at the same time like I I probably would have been okay with everywhere wasn’t inspired yeah I mean it but those experiences could have happened elsewhere as well so
I don’t know what that it sometimes we get in this mode we’re like every last thing that there’s this chalkboard in heaven with every decision that’s been ever made by an apostle,
and they’ve never strayed from that chalkboard and then I just don’t believe it happens up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:21] I think that is a fair assumption on your part and astute observation and one that should be shared.

Kurt Francom:
[41:27] And there’s also this great article about assignments and volunteers by Rachel Logan,
and she’s great writer I’ve reached out to her and hope that she will sacrifice her efforts for not only,
between Nation but for leading Saints but as far as that Simon’s or volunteers and Jeff you probably get it interesting perspective sitting in Ward council’s and seeing are there more assignments going on or more request for volunteers.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:56] I would say to mix also thought a lot about my time as Elders Quorum president reading this article,
and trying to lead effectively in that way currently in ward council it’s a decent number of assignments I would say,
overall Pleasant assign but I like this article because it’s stress that just like straight out of signing people to do things my
essentially don’t deprive them of HC if you do it the wrong way I guess it’s easier to talk about being bold and making assignments as I kind of believe what we’re getting at and how it’s not necessarily the best way to assign,
rather invite is sort of the euphemism.

Kurt Francom:
[42:36] I must reference one of my favorite conference talks by Elder James was James E Faust,
called these I will make my leaders and,
because I think there are as there’s we probably are too much on the side of a volunteerism right that we say anybody available for the canning assignment next Tuesday at at noon
and nobody raised their hand cuz they’re all think will like work but I think there is a sanctifying process not only for leaders but also for,
you know in just normal members to be asked to
to sacrifice you know I paid time off and and go to the canning
place right rather than waiting for somebody ends up being the retired 85 year old bless his heart who just goes every time cuz he’s the only one not doing anything on Tuesday at noon,
the James E Faust.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:34] Nothing I was just being mean I agree yes I said get a job hippie.

Kurt Francom:
[43:38] But I love this this quote and they says
one of the first principles we must keep in mind is that the work of the lord lord goes for through assignments leaders receive and give assignments this is an important part of the necessary principles of
delegating no one appreciates a willing volunteer more than I but the total work cannot be done as the Lord wants it done merely by those doing the work who may be present at meeting,
it was good good.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:06] Yeah I asking.

Kurt Francom:
[44:07] And Conference.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:08] Can I can I share a brief experience I have but this so so I mentioned Elders Quorum presidency and I remember this one experience I had,
the Tommy’s or experiences the ones that teach me the wrong way to do things I guess so.

Kurt Francom:
[44:21] Right I’ve been there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:22] So in this case we had a family in the ward who had recently had a kid and the mama duck having a number of very serious health complications afterwards,
it’s not it wasn’t necessarily straight out life-threatening but it was a hard. For them and they were figuring things out and they were going to be moving with our Ward boundaries,
and typically speaking at that point the State president had asked us not to be a moving service to essentially like if people ask for help say well have you done x y and you know have you done self-reliant things,
already I thought I tried to do that it was hard cuz sometimes I was basically
denying people in this case I felt inspired it like no we need to step it up one of the ward to help them out for this this is a different situation right we need to be there for them and take as much off of their plate as we can cuz
going through a lot but the way I went about the assignment I don’t think was as effective as I could have been cuz I think I was trying to be bold.

[45:16] And rather than inviting in a positive way I basically just like contacted the then home teachers and it said like look I want you to run point on this is more or less right like this is your baby I need you to do this,
but I think I was too bold so I offended one of the members of the home teaching companionship,
I probably I think I have an email chain after-the-fact somewhere about this or that and I don’t know what to do after that cuz I was like oh well you know just this very flipping response thank you for telling us that we get to do this and blah blah blah. It’s like.

[45:49] That will probably thought that was an overreaction the other part of me said maybe I could have broached the subject in a different,
more effective way maybe I could have sat down spent more time and some look you know what’s going on with them if you would can you there’s just a way you phrase things can make a big difference compared to it’s easy to say when you assigned to sit you don’t think it’s like pointing finger and saying you,
serv-rite but it doesn’t work that way like the inviting concept is much more softer and I think and yield much,
better results because when we do invite or assign I do think the work goes a lot better I end the articles that makes it even says stuff like what if you assign someone to give a prayer and they’re like going to dispel it shipped to whatever they’re not supposed to pray that’s a minor area but that’s very easily,
navigated it’s very simple by not if you’re a teacher for example don’t on the Fly say alright hey so-and-so would you mind giving the closing prayer
what you do before the lesson starts as you walk the room and say hi would you mind giving the closing prayer today and we’re done
and that way it’s a private conversation and if there’s any bit of awkwardness it doesn’t really matter if that’s the stuff I’ve been there and someone said actually I’m not supposed to talk about that,
and then you go to somebody else because the last thing you want to do is embarrass someone who is working to be back into full fellowship with the church by making them just feel awkward I can talk about this for a while I have a lot of things about signing this is.

Kurt Francom:
[47:11] No I didn’t but I think it’s an important part of our culture because I,
I just rarely experienced a time where people are where I’m given an assignment other than you know maybe I’m not ministering assignment was always given just you know I go to my app and see who’s been assigned to me,
but I think this is a strong leadership principle and end exercise that could really bless individual growth in in our culture and in our.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:41] I think some of us were too afraid like we view this as a an organization of volunteers so we’re naturally timid with how we go about stuff and everything’s like well if you would can you get that if you just,
put it out there asking for help so good article,
let’s see here,
real quick weird article here that I’m going to touch on a try to make sense of because okay full disclosure this article from High Country news subject area according to the editors,
like the tat do you like the category is corruption so.

Kurt Francom:
[48:21] Bum bum bum.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:22] This is by Emma Penrod High Country news so it’s about how the Articles called the Mormon Church supplied tainted water to its members for years,
okay that’s clickbaity let’s be frank,
and then it says you talk regular has turned a blind eye to faulty water systems at a girls summer camp and Trust in the LDS church would eventually fix the problem,
worst mostly true it’s just a matter of how we phrase it so she spent a long time talking about the experience of being a girl and wanted to go to comments about a bottle
really making herself seem sympathetic fine what happens is the water at this Camp the church owns aspencrest,
had a bacteria in it that is not deemed safe for drinking and long story short the old tldr the church and ask them to fix it that certain to fix at the church eventually said look like,
you know just pick up the state Kipling at slide even asked after asking the church to do something about it and it was even the first time there was some time,
years ago they had basically,
like said we’re not going to find you like hey can you just can you take care of this church and I’m not speaking well of any of this but essentially it is a long piece explaining how the.

[49:42] Apparently the state of Utah sort of gives the church a pass on stuff the Church of potentially be fixing to do it like anything concrete here about,
individuals who are injured or hospitalized or anything like that necessarily but obviously this was not a safe place,
obvi.

Kurt Francom:
[50:01] When was this in Utah did you say.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:02] Aspencrest yes the state of Utah is in the basically not forcing the church,
dechlorinated water when it’s the church should be chlorinating its water that’s a fair point at the church is not,
upgrading it systems as it should then okay but it’s also funny that the state of Utah being the state of Utah and the legislature is dominated by Latter-Day Saints is just kind of like okay okay.

Kurt Francom:
[50:26] He likes that the legislators are looking each other so I know you call him no I don’t want to make the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:31] It’s got to be so hard to be a majority of majority religious body set of politicians and to even think you have to like come up against your search me like a guys,
fix this so that definition of that so that’s a political issue you top faces and I think it’s I think that is one worth investigating the article is clearly very biased and has an agenda but I do think it presented an issue that is worth the,
exploring a broader issue of intertwined at the to yeah.

Kurt Francom:
[51:03] True that so,
shout out to to James the Mormon through who is now known as jtm who will now be known as something else that but he didn’t and he’s a former guest of on the this week in Mormons.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:18] Yes he is he’s a very nice since your person and it did not laugh as much about things as we thought he would that’s my biggest memory of that interview.

Kurt Francom:
[51:26] Dia Jeff and I’ll humor just doesn’t quite reach.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:31] I’ll just be like sitting up there like rapping in front of the temple man yeah I was like yeah okay okay this is very important this is very.

Kurt Francom:
[51:40] Yeah you know you I guess he put this post on is his Facebook page right,
were you just saying that ever since the you know the emphasis on removing Mormon from our vernacular that,
yeah obviously he went to jtm and that was a good enough for people and just is constantly finding this pushed back and it’s Concerta just really hurt and it breaks my heart to hear these stories of people not being treated well in our circles because at the end of the day I mean,
if you don’t change Mormon like so be it I mean,
that the world as we speak on this week in Mormons I I mean I I think if you know different Jeff for changing the name.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:21] It’s about our shell but yes to talk more about James it’s messed up.

Kurt Francom:
[52:25] Right right right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:25] It’s messed up bike and people he feels like he goes to church and it’s toxic and people are weird I mean the man started to do this because he genuinely wants to share his faith and do so in an Innovative way,
through it through a musical medium that is not his,
I’d say common for Latter-Day Saints to be fans out there’s a we talked to just recently know about Colby Ferrin just couple weeks ago how there’s like this bias against rap anyway all of those who try to do do good things instead it’s just about like will do.
come on you’re not James the Mormon you should be James the Latter-Day Saint.

Kurt Francom:
[52:59] Right so if any of you know James out there give him a hug let me know we love them we’re sending you a hug James you’re welcome here.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:09] In his defense he seems to be making a bit of an SEO Ploy though at the same time because he’s complaining that the other side of this is that jtm or James the Mormon on streaming services whatever else he gets lumped into,
what does algorithms he gets lumped in with BYU Vocal Point in efy music which is perfectly fine music,
but because of the Mormon reference that’s where he is and he wants to be he wants to be more with rap and perhaps even clean rap which is a category and,
you know the algorithms are not working in his favor I love where we are as a people think about musicians 40 years ago didn’t have to name their group based on what they algorithm was going to work on a Spotify playlist.

Kurt Francom:
[53:49] It’s a tough world we live in here with these algorithms.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:52] It’s messed up man is algorithm.

Kurt Francom:
[53:58] Well I got to is this where I can give a Shameless plug for something we got coming up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:04] I love it then we’ll tie things up.

Kurt Francom:
[54:06] Call so I work as many of you know who are
y’all been around the leading Saints Community we try and put on these virtual conferences around various topic so we didn’t want about
motivation called motivating Saints we’ve been want to call teaching Saints all about how to effectively teach in the church then we recently did one called questioning Saints,
about how to minister to those who are questioned their faith and coming up on September 10th is the
liberating scenes where we talk all things ministering to those and helping those overcome struggles with pornography and.

[54:42] I am so excited to release this cuz I’ve been tirelessly recording these these interviews and do some awesome people ever even I mean a lot of things you may not recognize but you know I’m talking about,
if you know as far as recovery individuals have been excommunicated in and how they’re finding a deeper faith in an understanding and another how they’re actually overcoming it how to effectively run an addiction recovery program
just all-around how do we love in and reach out to those who are struggling with with pornography or some form of sexual addiction
and it is both for the leader,
the member and even those that are struggling with with photography this would be great resource for you to come and check it out and it’s free folk so anyways to go to Leading saints.org liberate and there you just.

[55:37] Register put your email in and then we’ll notify you on day one where to go to find the the sessions and the Tuesday is going to be great at least give it a test for a day or two and I think you’ll be pleasantly,
surprised by by the content we have around this important topic.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:55] Now will this ever be a summit in podcast form.

Kurt Francom:
[56:00] Yes so part of it is we’ve released some wheelies release one session that is through our podcast feed that you can listen to a
ugly Society presidency and a YSA stake I went around and talked about,
addressing female pornography use.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:20] Cuz that’s not if that’s not a thing everyone knows that’s not a thing.

Kurt Francom:
[56:24] It is a Jeff believe or not there is not a unicorn thing it’s that actually happened,
yeah and so it will be releasing a few more sessions for the podcast but we can’t release there’s 20 +,
20 + sessions that that will never make it around to the actual podcast feed so you got to get it registered.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:44] All right good deal couple quick love what you doing love so much what you’re doing,
so I quick mention here Thun won the latest issue for shoe Persian publication whatever of a Latter-Day Saint video fault is up and this one’s a classic from the sixties about Up in Smoke not the Cheech and Chong movie,
terrible.

Kurt Francom:
[57:07] This is one I was not familiar with.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:09] Up in Smoke from 1960 with a church produced movie about the dangers of tobacco use and it is everything is awkward and unintentionally funny as you wanted to be so if you want to read that Jerry Jones is always rocking it I love it.

Kurt Francom:
[57:21] 1960.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:23] How about his calling so much every two weeks books every two weeks we dive into a random old church movie,
and it’s not strictly to make fun of it he’d because everything a fair shake so it’s a good time prison else’s back from his,
is big Latin American tour and also is getting ready for his birthday bash because I went I think Prophet I think we’d have a big birthday party that’s what it says so remember his birthday is this Friday
September 6th the same date as my nail past grandmother.

Kurt Francom:
[57:53] Well happy birthday mister.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:56] Let’s talk so now I believe the but will be broadcast of course coming up at the same day on Friday until later so you’re going to have,
Jenny Oaks Baker Gentry was for their all capitalized in their name all caps.

Kurt Francom:
[58:16] That’s the brand Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:18] The Bonner family someone in Nathan Pacheco which is doesn’t sound real.

Kurt Francom:
[58:22] He’s fantastic.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:23] Donny Osmond who ever doubted the Tabernacle Choir the orchestra at Pioneer Square and at the Gateway the orchestra at the Gateway and,
everyone is going to just celebrate president Nelson and I’m not going to lie I have mixed feelings about the whole big profits for anything but whatever it’s fine with other ones happy who cares I don’t know I return a giant party I mean it’s still it’s great I think.

Kurt Francom:
[58:50] We love them it doesn’t mean we don’t love them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:51] I’m thankful for a profit and it’s a great blessing to have.

Kurt Francom:
[58:54] It reminds me of the five years and I was why was Bishop Jeff and we had fantastic award sponsored Bishop birthday party for me.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:06] Is that what happened really real wild one.

Kurt Francom:
[59:08] No I did but it was that’s I think that’s sort of what it perpetuates is that we.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:10] You should have done that man we use the power man come on.

Kurt Francom:
[59:16] Yeah we we get from these callings and therefore it’s it’s ice nothing we love president Nelson and we will sing along with the Osmonds and gentry and Pacheco and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:28] Whoever that is like to know how we talked about him at the beginning of the show that’s why for me I’ve slowly soured on praise to the man I don’t know that it should be in the next 10 book I have no doubt it will still be in the next hymn book but I don’t,
I have I have I’ve come around on that side of that,
his are strictly like worship but I don’t know I’m like houses helping the cause of like we don’t worship Joseph Smith,
that’s I look at a lot of my discipleship to that lens of how is this help the cause to help people understand we don’t worship just Smith and if it,
if it leans that way and causes confusion that I take a step back and wonder if it’s something we should do but pay I’m not in charge.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00:06] That’s true fair argument.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:08] Speaking of Joseph Smith everybody so the same comic book artist who gave us a graphic novel about the Book of Mormon is doing one about the first vision is kind of cool,
so I’m down if you want to come it will take me to call remember the name.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00:23] The pillar of light.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:23] The pillar of Life by owner Sal velluto and.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00:28] He does great work.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:29] Yeah it’s it’s beautiful graphic Artistry I think he’s going to go tell the whole thing what’s unclear is which account of the first Vision he will be following not quite sure which is going to.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00:40] He’s probably combine them I think is what it is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:43] Okay you can combine all of them I mean some of them have.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00:46] To the best of.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:47] People some don’t I do know but there’s actually say that then that’s cool.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00:53] I’ll just says based on Joseph Smith only counts.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:58] Accounts plural.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00:59] From those who heard him share his experience first-hand so that alludes to the fact that all the counselor were considered in this in the writing of the store.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:01:09] Okay cool so that’s going to be available online for free for anybody to go see and enjoy so hopefully it’ll be at the same URL to the church deems it appropriate and then buys out and you know they,
we’ll see what happens blood when I hope you take part in Kurt’s Summit I think that’s going to be worth,
Endeavour I hope you all take the time to do that I hope you will take the time to subscribe to the show if you never have before however you may do that whichever app you are using please hit that subscribe button and leave us a review if you are able to do so that would mean the world to me
and it would mean even less to Kurt but it would be great for you to do it,
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Kurt Francom:
[1:02:02] Well thanks Jeff this is fun as always I hope you’ll have me back.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:02:06] You always say you hope I’ll have you back but I’ve been having you back for longer than you were Bishop.

Kurt Francom:
[1:02:12] These are just insecurities of the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:02:14] Would you stop at you run an Empire you run a veritable Empire leading Saints to be throwing you a birthday party Mister chairman.

Kurt Francom:
[1:02:22] Well we we need some fundraising to do that so you can donate.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:02:29] Donate to Leading Saints or.

Kurt Francom:
[1:02:30] Go to your patreon first.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:02:31] His nonprofit so you can get back on your taxes mind is pure profit so you get nothing but I get something so he’s got which one is more worthwhile for you just remember everybody if you’re an American your because of the new tax law,
your standard deduction is no double so most of your charitable giving me nothing unless you make like a quarter of a million dollars a year as far as reducing your tax liability so,
who needs charity anymore it doesn’t matter for your taxes,
what’s your really rich so there we go on that wonderful note thank you Kurt everyone have a great week this is this week in Mormons be well be holy.